Captain Idaho Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do people have a problem with loyalist players using Librarians? Obviously we have several Legions reversing decisions, but what's the etiquette? Personally, I fancy taking one to bolster my forces with Biomancy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I say have at it it was a relatively short period of time that they were forbidden Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Guilliman re-instated the Librarius following the betrayal at Calth so one wouldn't look out of place in a loyalists army. Sevrin Loth, with minimal conversion (changing the arms and backpack), makes a perfect MKIV Librarian for use in a Heresy army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Lion also reinstated them. Wolves never stopped. Scars never really stopped... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Lion also reinstated them. Wolves never stopped. Scars never really stopped... From the few HH books I've read I rather doubt if the Lion ever stopped using his librarians. I mean he was perhaps one of the two or three primarchs with prior knowledge of chaos even. Do any of the books show when the big G reinstalls his librarians? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Unremembered Empire he contemplates it, Vulkan Lives you see it and Deathfire (awful book after the 1st quarter) has even more active Librarian action. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Lion also reinstated them. Wolves never stopped. Scars never really stopped... From the few HH books I've read I rather doubt if the Lion ever stopped using his librarians. I mean he was perhaps one of the two or three primarchs with prior knowledge of chaos even. Do any of the books show when the big G reinstalls his librarians? It's in Know No Fear I think - when the daemons are rampaging through his flagship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Plus they're in the LACAL, there's no restrictions on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 The Lion also reinstated them. Wolves never stopped. Scars never really stopped... From the few HH books I've read I rather doubt if the Lion ever stopped using his librarians. I mean he was perhaps one of the two or three primarchs with prior knowledge of chaos even. Do any of the books show when the big G reinstalls his librarians? It's in Know No Fear I think - when the daemons are rampaging through his flagship. Oh yes you are right my bad. Unremembered Empire he has an active Librarius. I'm glad there is flexibility among the community so I can take a Librarian. I enjoy them and I don't want people to think I'm power gaming ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you have a Great Crusade army and want to be fuffy, fiels the librarian with a red helmet and never cast psychic powers ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 My biggest issue with librarians is cost I'm paying 50 points for a micro captain then an additional 35 for consul and as I read from the red books 50 for mastery level 2 so base 135 for a librarian with no other upgrades. However I will agree it's perfectly fluffy to field one in loyalist lists excepting maybe imperial fists cause Dorn put his all into a closet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The biggest downside to the Librarian is that they can't be a mandatory HQ, which I don't agree with. I can see a Primus Medicae might not be the leading commander, but a Centurion who happens to be a psyker? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The biggest downside to the Librarian is that they can't be a mandatory HQ, which I don't agree with. I can see a Primus Medicae might not be the leading commander, but a Centurion who happens to be a psyker? Technically they are all centurions, even the Moritat. But like the Moritat, the Praevian, Primus Medicae, Librarian, and Master of Signals all have a battlefield role that is so hyper specific that it has the potential to negatively impact their ability to command a legion force. • Master of Signals - Acting as a relay between orbital, aerial, and ground elements of a legion force so the commander can focus on his piece of the puzzle and call upon support if needed. • Moritat - Astartes Assassin. Pretty clear why he's a support officer. • Praevian - Controlling a cadre of robots in a close assault support role, likely cannot devote the focus and time required to direct the force as a whole • Librarius - A force multiplier due to psychic powers, however he is a danger to himself and those around him via the perils of the warp. Additionally every bit of fluff EVER has shown how taxing psychic powers are on the user, even an Astartes. Someone like that is massive tactical liability when you need a functioning command structure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316226-ultramarines-librarian-in-a-game/#findComment-4229461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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