Warmasterwillie Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Good afternoon fellow geeks and geekets. This is my first ever post on here so be gentle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 As far as lists go it's tight for 1500, I'm a little astounded you can fit all that in. You have good scoring potential in troops and the siege breaker fulfils a good purpose. You'll struggle with AV14, but that's a given. Spartans also will hurt but of someone is bringing one to 1500 you were always in trouble :P I like it! Fun and fluffy. One thing I'd consider is perhaps Durak Rask instead of the Preator & siege breaker? While you'll lose your Phosphex on the Medusa, you can still keep reaping and he's a really strong character in terms of buffs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4233853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have a look over the dudes profile tonight, might be a nice little convention challenge. Do you know what wargear he's toting? My maid reason for the seige breaker was to give the missile launches tank hunter. With 10 shots and the dred I thought that should cover the anty armour. Even as it stands I still have 43 points going spare so I might up one of the tac squads to 14 men. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4233876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 He gives the heavy weapons he's attached to tank Hunter and wrecker. Artificer armour, thunder hammer and serpenta. Also has a cool warlord trait where allies within 12" of him reroll 1s to hit if targeting and enemy unit within 3" of an objective (e.g. Scoring it) Considering he's pretty much an upgraded siege breaker a fluffy based gentleman's agreement can be made for him allowing Phosphex on Medusas, but that's up to you and your opponent. If you have the points I'd even consider a small fortification. One thing our RoW allows is us to bring a wall with us! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4233886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Sound very tempting and only a minimal convertion on my existing seige breaker. So he can give the force the reaping Rite of war or will I still have to bring the praetor? I hadn't considered taking any fortifications. I could make a trench style ageis defence line, would sertonly fit with the WW1 theme I'm going with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4233908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Yeah, Charlo has nailed it with his advice. A Fortifictation will do well - maybe Promethium Relay Pipes for Torrent heavy flamers? :) Durak Rask is a great option here - a real 2-for-1 deal. Tank Hunters on those missile launchers will be pretty decent (and a normal Medusa shell is still awesome if your opponent doesn't let you take Phosphex). He has Master of the Legion, so he covers the Rite of War. Spare points can be used to bump up a unit, add Apothecaries, or add in a Vindicator. You also have the option of taking rad grenades on any character. I'd stick with bolters on the 2nd Tactical Squad too, as you won't be running anywhere... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4233992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 cool, ill deffently be looking into it then. just droping the praetor means ill have a 157 points going spare for fortications. wonder if a convertion would be ok for the defence line/pipes to use as either or maybe. the only reason i used a despolier squad was for fluff reasons but i can see your point given its more of an defencive army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4234002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 That 157 points could even be a second Medusa to really home in that siege theme ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4234788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 hi i've got a revised list, was very tempted to add a second Medusa but im afriad i could only afford to buy one :-( in the end i decided to up both tactical squads to 14 men for fluff reasons. looked into adding apothecarys but the list didn't have enough give. i went for the aegis defense line to guard my heavy support units and Medusa. cast your eyes and id love any tips of tactics you might have :-) HG Marshal Durak rask Totals 165 TROOPS Legion Tactical Squad 1 + 4 marines + Legion Vexilla + nuncio-vox + Lightning claw +melta bomb Total 230 Legion Tactical Squad 2 + 4 marines + nuncio-vox + chainswords-boltpistoals + Legion Vexilla + Melta bomb Total 215 Legion heavy Support Squad 1 +melta bomb + Heavy flamers free + Chem munitions free + augury scanner Totals 145pts Legion heavy Support Squad 2 + 5 marines + 10 missile launchers + augury scanner Totals 290pts Heavy support Deredeo Pattern dreadnought +Armoured Ceramite +Aiolos missile launcher +twin linked heavy flamer free + Chem munitions free Totals 240 Legion artillery medusa squad + Extra armour Totals 165 Fortifications Aegis Defence Line 50pts Army total 1500 on the dot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4234860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Apart from your confused Tactical Squads, I like it. You have one Despoiler Squad (the chainsword one), but the Sergeant has no special melee weapon. The other is stock, but the Sergeant has a lightning claw. Why not focus their roles better, like this? Legion Tactical Squad 1 + 5 marines + additional chainswords + Legion Vexilla + nuncio-vox + Lightning claw + melta bombs Total 270 Legion Tactical Squad 2 + nuncio-vox + Legion Vexilla + Melta bombs Total 175 First one is a 15-man squad with the works: bolters, bolt pistols and chainswords, plus a lightning claw. The other is very standard, with bolters and minimum gear. :) Everything else looks fine mate! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4234877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You could probably drop the Nucino on a tactical too. You only really need one for a decent firing Arc on a squad designed to move forward :) But it's flexible how you have it now. I like it! Rask is the perfect fit it seems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4234946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 ok ive switched the Sergeant's around and now just have to finsh painting the tac squads. which has gotten alot more complicated now lol. thanks for your advice guys been a great help to me :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4235765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Hi guys I've got an upscaled list for the army, I've tried to address my lack of anti armour. Please bear in mind that I've been limited by my budget. Almost everything new ill have to convert of I've had lying round unbuilt DEATH GUARD LIST 2000pts HG Marshal Durak rask Totals 165 Elites Apothecarion detachment + 1 apothecarys Total 90pts Legion comtemptor dred + heavy conversion Beamer Totals 210pts Troops Legion Tactical Squad 1 + 4 marines + Legion Vexilla + nuncio-vox +melta bomb Total 215 Legion Tactical Squad 2 + Lightning claw + nuncio-vox + chainswords-boltpistoals + Legion Vexilla + Melta bomb Total 185 Legion heavy Support Squad 1 + Heavy flamers free + Chem munitions free + augury scanner Totals 140pts Legion heavy Support Squad 2 + 5 marines + 10 missile launchers + augury scanner Totals 290pts Heavy support Deredeo Pattern dreadnought +Armoured Ceramite +Aiolos missile launcher +twin linked heavy flamer free + Chem munitions free Totals 240 Legion artillery medusa squad Totals 155 Legion land raider Phobos Totals 250pts Fortifications Aegis Defence Line 50pts Army total 1990 I still have 10 points going spare and I'm not to sure what to do with them. If I can do anything that is. Tell me what you think guys. I think it address the army's lack of mobility. The plan is to have the 10 man despoiler squad in the land raider so the can get in to combat and address incoming threats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Augaury scanners on the Apothecaries! I think the conversion beamer contemptor is a lot of points for not a lot of power. Sure you can plonk him on a corner for those S10 blasts but it's not usually Gunna be the case. If the S8 one was ap3 I think it'd be great, but at ap4, meh. Invest these points in making the LR a kitted out spartan with ceramite, flare shield etc and a bigger despoiler squad. Give em rad grenades and attach the Apothecaries for a big nasty charge unit. You could even add a chappy for maximum efficiency. Yoy could probably fit a second Medusa in too with the points, really home in your theme and give you nice anti tank letting you hit side armour with the S10 blasts using the barrage rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigami Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 +1 for scanners on apothecaries! I second Charlo's suggestion for a second medusa. I've been running two for a while now and they just make things go bye-bye. The only caution I have when using two is that they are a little harder to protect and will be a priority for your opponent when you start dropping plates. The defense line will help nicely if you can keep it in and fit a second medusa. I'm not really sold on using Spartans at 2000 points. I find them to be too much of a points sink. They are nice and hardy but I like a little more killy in my lists. I think the Phobos is fine at lower levels and saves you 90 points that can be put towards more heresy era death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 If i could afford the spartan i'd be all over that like a fly on the brown stuff ;-) alas im far to attached to my inerns to sell them lol i think i could take out the dred, take a second medusa and 3rd apothacary. might even have enough points left over to give the medusas extra armour to buff there defence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmasterwillie Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 just did some quick maths, taking out the dred i can afford 1 more apothacary + 3 scanners and the second medusa and hit 2000 on the dot. think thats a plan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Works for me :)! Now get out there and reap those sukkas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316399-first-heresy-death-guard-list-suggestions-welcome/#findComment-4240493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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