TURBULENCE Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 So after much deliberation, I've decided to leave my death guard in the realm of 40k chaos and hold out on heresy for thousand sons rules. But with that in mind, do I pick up a second BAC box and start on my core troops early, or do I keep waiting until rules and upgrade sets are released before I take the dive? A little advice would be much appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 There's no indication that BaC is limited edition, so why jump the gun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4233948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 There's no indication that BaC is limited edition, so why jump the gun? This. It's a core starter system for GW now and more plastic Heresy support is apparently coming :) Nothing stopping you buying a box and having some painting /converting fun though. Just be aware, we've been told the 1ksons will be different to every other Legion, and so I don't know how much they diverge from the normal Tacs as troops etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4233998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 As with anyone waiting for kits/rules my advice is the same. Core troops are always a must, having at least 20 tactical marines painted and ready is no bad thing. The only note of caution I'd provide is, Retaliation is due in February and that's slated to contain new RoW both generic and Legion specific (including the Thousand Sons) which could really mess up any plans you might have made so it's really down to you Personally I'd paint them, FW do love to make Legions using RoW take extra compulsory troop choices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4233999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 But Heresy Death Guard are so damn cool...! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBULENCE Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Well I wouldn't be going for a second box until after the holidays anyway. I've got way to much death guard to finish as it is. Just, as they say, the heresy train has no breaks. So I'm just trying to gauge if starting to gather up the the core of what I'll be building first is a good idea or not. Honestly where I stand right now is to wait for the Prospero book, as I'm in the dark as to how the sons will be rules wise, and that will have huge effects on my army composition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 As with anyone waiting for kits/rules my advice is the same. Core troops are always a must, having at least 20 tactical marines painted and ready is no bad thing. The only note of caution I'd provide is, Retaliation is due in February and that's slated to contain new RoW both generic and Legion specific (including the Thousand Sons) which could really mess up any plans you might have made so it's really down to you Personally I'd paint them, FW do love to make Legions using RoW take extra compulsory troop choices I thought book 6 specifically didn't have RoW or rules for Wolves or 1ksons. It was mainly for the existing legions and the Dark angels, blood angels & white scars. Who have some kits but no basic rules. Also blackshields, Knights errant and shattered legions rules. This is all that was listed at the open day seminars. The Vlka and Prosperians are slated to be so different that they will be wholly covered in the propero book (slated to be 7 or 8, maybe even later... :( ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I opted to paint vehicles, slowly, until troop upgrade kits come out. One Sicaran down, next are a pair of Javelins, a Deredeo, a second Sicaran and lastly a Typhon. I imagine the TS being more about speed than brute force, so the javs and Sicarans are great,. Typhon... Is Typhon. Should keep me busy for a while. Plus back in July it was mentioned at the FW event that TS upgrades were almost done, so fingers crossed for a nice surprise sooner rather than later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 As with anyone waiting for kits/rules my advice is the same. Core troops are always a must, having at least 20 tactical marines painted and ready is no bad thing. The only note of caution I'd provide is, Retaliation is due in February and that's slated to contain new RoW both generic and Legion specific (including the Thousand Sons) which could really mess up any plans you might have made so it's really down to you Personally I'd paint them, FW do love to make Legions using RoW take extra compulsory troop choices I thought book 6 specifically didn't have RoW or rules for Wolves or 1ksons. It was mainly for the existing legions and the Dark angels, blood angels & white scars. Who have some kits but no basic rules. Also blackshields, Knights errant and shattered legions rules. This is all that was listed at the open day seminars. The Vlka and Prosperians are slated to be so different that they will be wholly covered in the propero book (slated to be 7 or 8, maybe even later... ) My memory is sketchy but I was sure it would include the VI and XV Legions, just not reflected with units or Legion rules. Considering there's around 30 going to be included I'd be shocked if that excluded some Legons. Anyway if that turns out not be the case I stand corrected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Personally I'm done waiting. I've ben waiting since FW started this whole heresy thing. Two boxes bought, to hel with the upgrade packs, I'll make my own! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFeeder Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The thread title reminds me of a Bonnie Tyler song: I need Prospero I'm holding out for Prospero during Forgeworld's book drought And it's gonna be large And it's gotta be fun And have Tizca getting razed by the Rout Sorry, couldn't resist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBULENCE Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I opted to paint vehicles, slowly, until troop upgrade kits come out. One Sicaran down, next are a pair of Javelins, a Deredeo, a second Sicaran and lastly a Typhon. I imagine the TS being more about speed than brute force, so the javs and Sicarans are great,. Typhon... Is Typhon. Should keep me busy for a while. Plus back in July it was mentioned at the FW event that TS upgrades were almost done, so fingers crossed for a nice surprise sooner rather than later. Hmm I do have a sicaran I wasn't sure what to do with now that I think about it. And I'm quite sure I'll need bolter marines no matter how divergent the thousand sons are from other legions... So from what I gather as long as I don't do anything to over the top, stockpiling some models won't hurt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 There are conversion things very close to the visions artwork, steam knights and Egyptian space knights or something? Your always going to take somethings, but it depends on what options will be available with the sons. They could have something that makes scarab occult troops for example, but only a guess. I would imagine it being based around their powers, but who knows really.. Yes they are due to be later because of the release of 4 factions. Wolves aren't to 40k with pelts etc, but a bit, custodes are spanking new, sisters will be spanking new, and thousand sons will be 'very divergent' from regular marine upgrade kits, so I'm told at the open days. This means that, although you can stick a generic fist head on an iron hand for example, you won't be able to do the same with son heads and kits. Of course conjecture and whether or not it's the truth.. Is a thing. But the guys at fw have yet to displease with their things, so it'll be worth the wait.. Like sanguinius, it will be glorious! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have started gathering bits for next week, where I will start...maybe even on sunday... I can't even describe how excited i am now that I finally decided to start! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBULENCE Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have started gathering bits for next week, where I will start...maybe even on sunday... I can't even describe how excited i am now that I finally decided to start! :) Yeah i'll likely take the plunge as it stands. I can build some core units now and always reorganize after I get legion specific rules. I have my sicaran I can paint up, a second BAC box will fill out some troops, and maybe I'll order some jetbikes just cause I want 'em. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Shadow Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Is that certain that BaC is a starter set? I know GW staff are unreliable for information but I was told although its not a limited game like dreadfleet was, it wont be around forever. I've yet to start the Heresy though I intend to, would two BaC boxes be of use to me? i'm thinking about having 60 tacticals and whether they would all be useable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My memory is sketchy but I was sure it would include the VI and XV Legions, just not reflected with units or Legion rules. Considering there's around 30 going to be included I'd be shocked if that excluded some Legons. Anyway if that turns out not be the case I stand corrected. How can it include these legions, but without units or legion rules? I'd also heard it was Blood Angels, Scars, Dark Angels, no mention of Wolves or Sons. Is that certain that BaC is a starter set? I know GW staff are unreliable for information but I was told although its not a limited game like dreadfleet was, it wont be around forever. My opinion/information is the same. Like Deathstorm. It will be around for a few months or so, then replaced with the next version, like the Hobbit/LotR games. The sprues then go into boxes. That said, paint 20 marines as thousand sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 No, BaC isn't a starter set, it's a fully formed game. We use it as a starter set though, there's a difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 No, BaC isn't a starter set, it's a fully formed game. We use it as a starter set though, there's a difference. Though it's pretty obvious that GW knows how we're using it and it was designed partly with that use in mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 My memory is sketchy but I was sure it would include the VI and XV Legions, just not reflected with units or Legion rules. Considering there's around 30 going to be included I'd be shocked if that excluded some Legons. Anyway if that turns out not be the case I stand corrected. How can it include these legions, but without units or legion rules? I'd also heard it was Blood Angels, Scars, Dark Angels, no mention of Wolves or Sons. Is that certain that BaC is a starter set? I know GW staff are unreliable for information but I was told although its not a limited game like dreadfleet was, it wont be around forever. My opinion/information is the same. Like Deathstorm. It will be around for a few months or so, then replaced with the next version, like the Hobbit/LotR games. The sprues then go into boxes. That said, paint 20 marines as thousand sons. Because not every RoW has utilisation of specific units. Coils of the Hydra for example. And there isn't a RoW that directly taps into the Legion Astartes rules in a way that means it's unplayable otherwise. It can be done. Not saying that it necessarily should be done but it's not impossible. The fact that DA/BA/Scars are getting RoW without any Legion units shouldn't take it off the table. Although given how difficult it is for them to do TS/SW (according to FW anyway) maybe it is too much of a stretch. Who knows Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildofFang Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 BaC will be available for as long as they order new print runs. They made a new run of 50,000 pretty much immediately upon release - my suspicion is that all the time they know the stock will move quickly they will do more runs but when it slows to a point then they won't. Who knows what happens around it though, it was labelled as s core set and we can all see how easy it would be to release an expansion or new game with similar rules. Not mention the ability to package the series independently of the box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316405-holding-out-for-prospero/#findComment-4234756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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