Slips Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Another note, also in Tempest alongside the Aurora Chapter is the Nemesis Chapter with their Midnight Blue helms and Black Gauntlets. There's a smattering of a Few others such as the Red-Shouldered Iron Hands having the Emblem for the Brazen Claws. The Imperial Fists Phalanx Warders Icon being the Heraldry of the Executioners. Theres plenty, you just need to look for it in the right spots. And if it doesnt exist? Well, get your fluff-gland a-working because you can probably justify it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4235862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well, I guess my point is that a colour scheme exists within the legion which goes on to inspire the chapter colours for a 2nd founding chapter, regardless of what it refers to organisation wise. We don't know that there isn't a company of Ultramarines who wear white during the Heresy, who end up inspiring the colours of the Praetors of Orpheus, for example.On my end, I'd be tempted to just throw a wild guess around and imagine that some of the remaining chapters' livery were chosen because of the new Codex - or maybe the company colors were chosen because they were the chapter colors of the respective UM chapters Let's assume : - Chapter I -> Ultramarines, as we know. - Chapter II -> Libators -> Yellow - Chapter III -> Genesis -> Red - Chapter IV -> Aurora or Inceptors -> Green - Chapter V -> Black Consuls -> Black etc... (I know a few colors end up missing, but then the Apocrypha of Davio doesn't list every single chapter so...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4235922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Genesis was the first chapter created out of the Ultramarines. Hence the name :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4235925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Just because they were the first chapter created doesn't mean they had to be Chapter #2 before the split... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4235926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedarkprincesnun Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm personally planning to do a Emperors Children chapter at some point after the fall to Slaanesh but they will be wearing pink armour instead of purple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4237354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 There's an Ultramarine Captain who adopts the heraldry of the noble house he was born into as a child. I'm pretty sure it's the same as a 2nd Founding colour scheme as well. It's one of the short stories in... whatever the most recent short story anthology is. Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4237463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 There's an Ultramarine Captain who adopts the heraldry of the noble house he was born into as a child. I'm pretty sure it's the same as a 2nd Founding colour scheme as well. It's one of the short stories in... whatever the most recent short story anthology is. Dragonlover Probably the Novamarines captain I talked about above? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4237637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I somehow totally missed that post. Yeah, that guy! Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4238006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Question: I am still considering doing Salamanders, but I would want them to be much closer to an olive green than the emerald/kermit colours you usually see them in. But would my preferred scheme look too much like SoH/DG? Also, should I try to modify the colours of any flames I attempt to paint in order to work better on an olive green background - and if so how? I really should start on my BaC box soon now... It is feeling a bit " :cuss or get off the pot" :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4239897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 If you look on the FW Site, their Sallies are usually painted darker than their 40k Counterparts. They're easily enough differentiated from SoH who are Sea-Green and Death Guard who have Bone/Cream going on in the Mix and are much more Forest for their Green. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99590101394_SalamandersLegionFiredrakes04.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4239912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Thanks Slipstreams but the FW ones are still quite a lot brighter green than I was thinking, at least from that pic above. I was thinking more like the Raptors green? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4240148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Raptor's green Salamanders can also look very good, as seen here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4240269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Instinctively I'd say it could work, and the bright red and orange flames might even look better for the contrast of bright to dark and pastel colours. Have you got a link to the kind of shade you're looking for ? Wikipedia generally have a good selection of colours that are closely linked. The raptors colour scheme seems a lot lighter than what you are describing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4240344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Raptor's green Salamanders can also look very good, as seen here Those do look awesome, but if anything I was thinking even more along the olive drab lines... A green that is almost brown. Instinctively I'd say it could work, and the bright red and orange flames might even look better for the contrast of bright to dark and pastel colours. Have you got a link to the kind of shade you're looking for ? Wikipedia generally have a good selection of colours that are closely linked. The raptors colour scheme seems a lot lighter than what you are describing Thanks; well I mentioned Raptors as they have a more "camo green" reputation but looking again you are right that it's lighter than I had in mind. Something like this may be closer... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_(color) (Scroll down to Olive Drab Camouflage) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4240627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 This? Or maybe too dark even... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4240649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Would that helm be from the Saturnyne Rams ? That may be a tadge dark, it looks more grey then green. What happens if you add a bit more saturation ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Would that helm be from the Saturnyne Rams ? That may be a tadge dark, it looks more grey then green. What happens if you add a bit more saturation ? Something more like this perhaps: That is based on the hex number of Tamiya Olive Drab (I think). Helmet is sergeant - certainly my 40k 'manders sgts have some gold on the helms, may extend it to these... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Would that helm be from the Saturnyne Rams ? That may be a tadge dark, it looks more grey then green. What happens if you add a bit more saturation ? Something more like this perhaps: That is based on the hex number of Tamiya Olive Drab (I think). Helmet is sergeant - certainly my 40k 'manders sgts have some gold on the helms, may extend it to these... I think that looks pretty good. Would they probably have some kind of darker, more militaristic story to them then the typical salamanders ? The olive drab makes me think of WWI uniforms and such. EDIT : also, that's the colour I need as highlights for some of my Iron Warriors :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Thanks, that's appreciated. Short answer is yes! I need to do some research but easy enough to start with their being deeply affected by the Dropsite Massacre... Going from there is the obvious route. I may try and think up something less obvious though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hum, what about them having these themes before istvaan ? I get the impression that a lot of fluff relies solely on the dropsite massacre, pretty much ignoring 200 years of crusading before that, and I feel it's a trap that's too easy to fall into... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hum, what about them having these themes before istvaan ? I get the impression that a lot of fluff relies solely on the dropsite massacre, pretty much ignoring 200 years of crusading before that, and I feel it's a trap that's too easy to fall into... Well, that is why I said maybe something less obvious. According to what we know, I.5 does not appear to be the first time that the Salamanders have been almost wiped out; far from it in fact. Perhaps earlier conflagrations can have left my little company (other organisational units are available but best start small!) with an ethos of survival no matter the odds, instead of sacrifice first. I don't know yet, will keep thinking. Basic point was that I wanted a darker green - now I have to justify it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 How about some sallies who take Vulkan's death as justification to finally unwind and revel in their less 'salamandery' instincts? Sallies are often depicted as the nice guys of the Legios; maybe yours weren't quite so nice all along... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4241935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 How about some sallies who take Vulkan's death as justification to finally unwind and revel in their less 'salamandery' instincts? Sallies are often depicted as the nice guys of the Legios; maybe yours weren't quite so nice all along... While I see where you're going with this, 1) Vulkan LIVES! 2) nonetheless, his disappearance could be used as a trigger for vigilante vengeance squads! 3) heh, only nice in relative terms. If required we'd still kill you and salt the earth, that none shall grow again! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4242075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Truth be told, I've started lagging way behind on the HH series, BL has managed to stump my interest significantly; I know Vulkan lived, I just thought he'd finally met his demise (hence Deathfire, although I don't know how that book ends). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4242483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Truth be told, I've started lagging way behind on the HH series, BL has managed to stump my interest significantly; I know Vulkan lived, I just thought he'd finally met his demise (hence Deathfire, although I don't know how that book ends). I won't do any spoilers, but if you want quick answers a web search will provide them ;) Of course, retcons are always a risk... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316417-chapter-colours-in-legion-times/page/2/#findComment-4242530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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