Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Are they worth it? I was thinking of taking one as I've made and painted one with plasma pistol and staff in power/artificer armour and one in cataphrakti with a drakscael shield and force sword, but looking at the costs I'm not sure they are worth it, coming in at 95pts just to be level one before any other equipment, with the terminator one coming to 140pts with no master crafting and just level one, which seems a tad underwhelming. The role I was planning on running him would be with a tartaros unit (power fists and heavy flamer Salamander legion) to buff them or to try and cut down power armour power fist/axe sergeants before they could strike the terminators, but at that cost I'm thinking I might as well stick my Preator in there and take a thunderhammer consol or chaplain to support one of my other squads. Any one really use Librarians in any role outside of summoning shenanigans with word bearers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Psychic Shenanigans are fickle but, unless your up against WB's Daemon Spam or Primarchs (especially Morty or Horus), you should have no real opposition in terms of being able to use your powers. Instead of using your Libby in that manner, consider the consequences of him successfully casting malediction onto a vehicle and shooting it with 40 Volkite Culverin shots instead, or something to that effect. Also, nothing is cheap in 30k :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why the hell not? Psychic powers are fun, and the Pyrokinesis powers are fun and fluffy to use, as well as pretty effective in the range bands that the Salamanders prefer. I'd say go for it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 It's more I'm concerned that at paying 140pts for the terminator level one his hcances of getting a dud power power so to speak is likely.I was thinking telepathy or Biomancy, both being able to help the unit survive longer, or by just zapping enemy units/maledicting them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 It's more I'm concerned that at paying 140pts for the terminator level one his hcances of getting a dud power power so to speak is likely. I was thinking telepathy or Biomancy, both being able to help the unit survive longer, or by just zapping enemy units/maledicting them. I don't have my psychic cards in front of me, but almost none of the primaris powers are "duds," and if you're a Level 1 psyker, since you only get one power, you get Psychic Focus for free, which means that you will always get the primaris in addition to whatever you roll. Problem solved! Just be sure to pick a discipline where the primaris is useful (or plan your game around one of those disciplines). Divination is good for this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'd go full bore for ML2 then. You'd have to shrink the rest of your list and he becomes that much of a bigger target but, the increase in # of powers might be worth it for you. We also have a few solid, but expensive, defensive relics that might help such as the Void Shield Harness and Warp Shunt Field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 If you are struggling for power choice, Telekinesis has always been a good wide range of powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Psychic Shenanigans are fickle but, unless your up against WB's Daemon Spam or Primarchs (especially Morty or Horus), you should have no real opposition in terms of being able to use your powers. Instead of using your Libby in that manner, consider the consequences of him successfully casting malediction onto a vehicle and shooting it with 40 Volkite Culverin shots instead, or something to that effect. Also, nothing is cheap in 30k I love it. My ears turn red every time I jump into a thread and see the volkite Culverin/Malediction trick mentioned. Depthcharge made that tactic of mine famous. One option I like is putting a Librarian with Scriers Gaze in a Dreadclaw, for a drop assault army. Maybe stick him with a unit of terminators and put them in your first wave, so they can assault 2nd turn. The benefit of having him in your first wave gives you a reroll on reserves, and so can really help Orbital assault armies deliver, when and where they are needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'd go full bore for ML2 then. You'd have to shrink the rest of your list and he becomes that much of a bigger target but, the increase in # of powers might be worth it for you. We also have a few solid, but expensive, defensive relics that might help such as the Void Shield Harness and Warp Shunt Field. Relics? Where are they? I have the two red books and can't see them in either. @Electric Paladin: That's a reason why I was thinking Telepathy or Biomancy, as both of them have primaris powers that nicely deal with 2+ saves and potentially can do enough wounds to tear a chunk out of a veteran or terminator squad. Divination could be interesting, it's just in the list I don't really have any units that it's primaris would be super effective, in lists where I take a plasma gun support squad or Pyroclast squad I can see it being big. Athrawes: That scriews gaze plan sounds good ane may use it in my Traitor scars if I ever do them as they would be a drop pod army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Book 4 has them since it was released Afterwards. Found here for a brief rundown: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Relics As well as each section on the legions talking about their specific relic in their Additional Wargear section Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4234454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 What's the best way to kit a Librarian so he helps with combat? Any good powers and or wargear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Biomancy and divination are probably your best bets in terms of powers for combat situations. Divination has a malediction power that can ruin anyone's day and Biomancy can soup up your libby nicely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Divination would suit the fluff of the Ultramarines Libby from UM most I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Prescience is enough to justify a librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Telekinesis is my favourite. Force Dome, Levitation, Strikedown Primaris autohit beam, quasi artillery strike. Even its lesser powers are okayish. Axe, Boarding Shield, Artificer Armour, Melta bombs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Are sanctic demonology powers allowed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Nope. Word Bearers get Malefic Daemonology, but I don't think anyone will get Sanctic (except MAYBE Malcador's Knights Errant). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Hm. Just thinking about Vortex of Doom and Combat Augment Array Of course it's to many "ifs" but anyway, guaranteed 6 on destroyer table... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I ran once a ML2 with biomancy, since he got all the dices to himself he was able to throw powers around troublessly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedarkprincesnun Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I think level 2 on divination is a good investment to be honest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4245881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I'm a massive Biomancy fan, but that might be a cross between my old Blood Angel playing and the irony of flesh-powers on Iron Hands. Still though, can't knock that primaris too much, and there's a chance to buff him up to Ferrus Jr, so why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4248206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think level 2 on divination is a good investment to be honest You can't really good wrong with divination, there's good bonuses in there for any army and very few bad powers in the lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4248256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Librarians are a lot more expensive than in 40k, but there's a lot less psychic shenanigans in 30k games, and you'll probably have free reign to cast all your powers. Word Bearers are the Legion of choice currently if you want a large dice pool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4248290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Librarians are a lot more expensive than in 40k, but there's a lot less psychic shenanigans in 30k games, and you'll probably have free reign to cast all your powers. Word Bearers are the Legion of choice currently if you want a large dice pool. Buuuut... probably Thousand Sons will also be pretty good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4248296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Of course, but they're not out yet! Soon.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316421-librarian-consuls/#findComment-4248304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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