Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm pretty sure it's the same armour, just devoid of Legion livery.Actually, I think one of the audios said he upgraded to have an armor system with top of the line stealth systems, like the falsehood. So the eagle cuirass would end up being the only original piece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So basically he'd trade his Paragon Bolter in for a regular or master-crafted one, and drop Preferred Enemy, The Emperor Protects and By Falsehood Cloaked. But then he'd regain LA: Death Guard and gain a cool Warlord Trait representing his command of the 7th Grand Company. Might as well leave stuff like Implacable Advance and Eternal Warrior, kinda cool to have a tough, scoring commander leading from the front or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I's just use his model, swap out shoulder pads and run him as a Praetor with a Paragon blade and bolter in a Death Guard army. It'll still be Garro! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'd still leave the Paragon Bolter. I would drop Preferred Enemy, The Emperor Protects, Flasehood Cloaked, and Oath of Moment. Keep Implacable Advance and Eternal Warrior, give him the Legions Astartes Death Guard trait, and Child of Terra. I'd keep him at 175 points, though, because at that point he'd have the ability to lead the army and not just be a non-cumpolsory HQ who also has just as much a chance of screwing you over with Oath of Moment as he does winning the day. BTW, anyone who decides to take the King Slayer Oath is straight up stupid. Just saying. Edit: Just read the fluff on Falsehood Cloaked... nope, definitely wouldn't have that Pre-Errant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Garro is some hot :cuss. Just been reading all the relevant fluff, and now the urge to make loyalist DG is strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Wouldve been nice to have some optional Deathguard era pads maybe, behold my only minor complaint :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Will buy garro just to be competitive as nowYou'll be waiting a while for the meta to change then. My meta currently consists of Bac pride lists so I'm sure I can take it "competitive". Nah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Will buy garro just to be competitive as nowYou'll be waiting a while for the meta to change then.My meta currently consists of Bac pride lists so I'm sure I can take it "competitive". Nah. Within his own sphere of play it can be. Not all metas are the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 And since the release of BaC I've started hating my hobby because of comments like that. So as far as I'm concerned my hobby is dying because negative people like you can't just accept others way of enjoying the hobby so congrats on that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 And since the release of BaC I've started hating my hobby because of comments like that. So as far as I'm concerned my hobby is dying because negative people like you can't just accept others way of enjoying the hobby so congrats on that he does that alot kurama, he is been doing that for quiete some time to a few people.. oh well but on the topic of garro: First off: What a pretty model! The sword is a bit mehhh (too short) will use sigismunds blade to fix that right up, his chest eagle is very well detailed, love that piece, great conversion food. The bolter is kinda cool, would consider molding that part and using it on normal tacticals. The rules are cool, something new and refreshing. Looking forward to see how the knights errant rules will be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm more or less on agreement with the bolter I'd rather give I'm a cylindrical ammo hopper. But I will be using him for an allied black shield force. Thinking him attached to 5 cc Terminators and supported by 2x 10 Plasma support squads just for some extra AP support Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The model is cool but I don't think his rules are not terribly appealing honestly The fact that you opponent knows you have to do a particular thing to not lose the game and his lackluster close combat stats shake my faith that he will make too much of a splash Sure he's very durable with some good kit but in the grand scheme of things I would just rather have sigismund because I feel he dose more despite the points differential Obviously yer mileage may vary and every meta is different. I think in a heavy box set meta he will be very useful and in zone mortalis he can straight up swing the game hard for you I just wish he was 200 ish pints with Ap 2 at initiative but hey not terrible by any means Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Honest opinion, he has a special rule that you won't end up taking advantage of (the deep strike one) because that deploys him on his own; he cannot join a unit to Deep Strike and he cannot grant those benefits to a unit anyway. He grants extra VP's but the opponent will be doing everything they can to prevent that. He is a combat character with mediocre stats (Rending AP3 against 2+ saves? Only reason Sevatar can do that is because of rerolls, outnumbering bonus to wound rolls and insant death) so otherwise relegated to sergeant chewing. He is an agent and so explicitly a sworn brother and hence cannot get in transports, so he is footslogging. His one benefit is he is tanky - a 4~ Wound 2+/3++ with Eternal Warrior. He is alright. Aside from his tankiness, there is little else to really encourage him to be taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So, can he be a hq for any loyalist army? I'm not able to view the rules fully at the moment... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given Oh behave the lot of you. If you say something that is wrong, then don't be surprised if a point is raised about how you are wrong. Unlike gravity, meta is not a universal constant. As a result, it becomes relative to each specific meta in each specific region of the world. So, even if you are right, there are still certain... decorum in regards to how to treat your fellow frater. With manners, such as not calling them stupid because they have a difference in opinion or are working off of older rules because they have neither the money to buy the new rules nor the lack of morale fiber to pirate them. But then again, I understand that thinking makes me a rare breed so feel free to ignore it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237486
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given Ctrl+F "stupid". You're the only person who brought stupid up. Good to know I didn't do any.of what you said would otherwise be a breach of decorum of etiquette. Kurama mentioned competitive. There is a competitive meta. As it stands, Alpha Legion, Night Lords, Sons of Horus and most notably Raven Guard are the Kings of the hill. Of those, Maloghurst is one of the things making Sons of Horus good, Sevatar also, while Alpha Legion (with Dynat) and RG do better out of Transports. I've already listed above why Garro isn't competitive per se. And now of the top armies, they recieve very little benefit from him, while in return, the most obvious is that he is all alone if you use his rules. Guess what legion is arguably best, with their Rite of War, and has Preferred Enemy (IC's). So, unless you are giving him Implacable advance to put with something like a Rapier Squadron (and spending around 2 and a half guns worth to do so), I am unsure as to exactly what application he brings to a competitive army. I wish you all well, and i've not insinuated or outright said that you are stupid, or belittled skmeones ability to purchase new booms or models. What i will say though is that if you pride yourself on thinking that i suggest you exercise your right and ability to do so, and read what you have written and ensure it apolies to the situation before you post it in future. It woukd avoid awkward off topic posts like this where you are criticising another member for an on topic, factually correct and relevant post, simply because you do not like being told something. Or feel the need to white knight. If you wish to continue the failings of my character, do so via PM. Failing that, please try and come up with a way of how to use Garro in a competitive environment as opposed to hoping that your opponent doesn't bring a competitive list. Because beleive me, I am all ears in how to use new toys and would love the ability to make great use out of one so tanky. Good day, gentlemen and ladies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237517
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 28, 2015 - No reason given I never said you called anyone stupid, I merely used it as an example since it is something that I see pop up quite a bit in other threads and forums by other frater. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237521
Marshal Loss Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So, can he be a hq for any loyalist army? I'm not able to view the rules fully at the moment... He can be taken as a non-compulsory HQ choice, but may never be the army's warlord Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316490-garro-up-on-forgeworld/page/4/#findComment-4237565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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