Noobie Alpha Legion 2k

[SirHudlebert]

Hi there fellas, thinking of taking my first tentative steps into the strange and excruciatingly expensive world of the Horus Heresy by getting the new BAC box. After spending far too long considering the merits of every possible legion i have finally settled upon the Alpha Legion as their Keyser Soze-esque mind buggery and trickery greatly appeals to me. So without further ado this is the first list i have compiled. Any criticism is greatly appreciated and encouraged as i have no idea what im doing! So have a read, grimace at its incompetance and let me know what'cha think. Cheers guys. 

 

+++ 30k Alpha Legion 2k (1996pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1996pts) ++

 

+ HQ (299pts) +

 

Legion Centurion (107pts) [Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger]

Consul [Vigilator]

 

Legion Praetor (192pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade]

Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

 

+ Troops (1117pts) +

 

Legion Tactical Squad (275pts) [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]

Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]

 

Legion Terminator Squad (217pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon]

Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (305pts) [banestrike Bolter Shells, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Plasma Gun, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Dagger]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (320pts) [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Flakk Missiles, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger]

 

+ Elites (290pts) +

 

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (55pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Laser Destroyer Array]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (55pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Laser Destroyer Array]

 

+ Fast Attack (290pts) +

 

Legion Seeker Squad (290pts) [2x Combi-weapon, 9x Legion Seeker Space Marines]

Legion Strike Leader [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

 

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[Slips]

1) If you're taking Sniper, taking Banestrike Ammo serves no Purpose. Both are activated on a 6 To-Wound and one causes Ap2 the Other Ap3. One is Free and Ap2 (sniper) the other costs points for a weaker effect (banestrike). Plasma Guns w/ Sniper is a bit redundant. You'd be better off using Heavy Bolters for More shots, in my personal opinion or Heavy Flamers / Missile Launcher for Template wounds to maximize the chances to trigger Sniper.

 

2) No Invulnerable Save on the Vigilator. Give him a Refractor Field at minimum.

 

3) If you're Taking Pride of The Legion, why are you taking 20 man Blobs? They serve no real purpose in this instance and are essentially a sunk cost whose points you could put towards more punch which leads into the next point. HOWEVER, if you want to run em, run em.

 

4) You have no real Ranged Anti-Tank to speak of.

 

5) Power Daggers. While a nice cheap form of Ap3 are mainly a source of +1A for Specialist Weapons. On Sarges who are usually going to be in Challenges with other Sarges in Artificer Armor, not having any Ap2 is a serious downside.

 

6) Seekers: Very expensive to make work. Taking them only for their Special Issue Ammunition isn't the best use for them. Their main draw is squad-wide Combi-Weapons.

 

7) I'm generally averse to Plasma Pistols. Have never gotten any value out of them.

 

+++

 

Hopefully this doesnt come across as too cold-hearted but its an issue you'll see a lot with BaC-Built Forces: Lots of Bodies, No Punch.

 

If you're just starting 30k and have a bunch of established 30k players, then you're going to have a bad time with such a force since in general terms 30k players have an easy time dealing with Power Armor because its the Primary Focus of the Setting.

 

If you're in a group whose just starting and everybody is using BaC as a launching point, then the issue will be a lot less pronounced.

 

You also have to consider that majority of your 40k Motorpool can still be used in 30k with no real issue.

[SirHudlebert]

Thanks for the help bud really appreciate it. As for the banestrike ammo i added it to the roster as i couldnt think what else to do with the points and realised it was redundant shortly after :/ you make some great points (i was worried myself whether i would have enough anti-tank) so i've dropped the 20 man blob added in some other stuff and come up with a new list, let me know what you think. While i understand your point on power daggers entirely i'm more going for a fluffy list than something crunchy and i think the daggers are a really cool concept that just embody the Alpha Legion completely :P

 

+++ 30k Alpha Legion 2k (1994pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1994pts) ++

 

+ HQ (307pts) +

 

Legion Centurion (115pts) [Artificer Armour, Bolter with only Banestrike Rounds, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field]

Consul [Vigilator]

 

Legion Praetor (192pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade]

Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

 

+ Troops (827pts) +

 

Legion Terminator Squad (217pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon]

Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (290pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (320pts) [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Flakk Missiles, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger]

 

+ Elites (290pts) +

 

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (55pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Laser Destroyer Array]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (55pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Laser Destroyer Array]

 

+ Fast Attack (325pts) +

 

Headhunter Kill Teams (325pts) [9x Headhunter, Heavy Bolter with Suspensor Web and Banestrike ammunition]

Headhunter Prime [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs]

 

+ Heavy Support (245pts) +

 

Legion Heavy Support Squad (245pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines]

Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

 

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As for tactics i aim to use the infiltrate mutable tactic across the board. The Vigilator will roll with the headhunters and the Praetor with the termies. One thing i'm slightly worried about is whether the cataphracti termies will be mobile enough for footslogging even with infiltrate, worth switching them out for standard terms or will they be allright? Also something i should have mentioned is that i'm trying to shy away from vehicles as much as possible. Firstly FW vehicles are ludicrously expensive and me, an impoverished student cannot afford one. Secondly i'm trying to represent an elite Alpha Legion recon element who operate deep within enemy territory without much support or heavy materiel therefore vehicles dont really make much sense. 

[Slips]

Apart from the Specialist FW Vehicles, things like Plastic Rhinos and Land Raiders are ok for use. So if you have those already, no need to buy more.

 

As for Cataphractii: They have Slow and Purposeful. So if you want them in combat, an assault vehicle is pretty much mandatory. You'd be better off giving them Power Axes instead and using the saved points to give them all Combi-Weapons for ranged punch.

 

Otherwise your off to a good enough start. Just beware that those 5 Lascannons are likely going to get vaped as a Priority Target since they're the only heavy punch. If you could somehow swap the LasRapiers to Quad Mortars or Graviton, you'd have much more anti-vehicle punch that way.

 

3 Quad Mortars pump out 12 S8 shots re-rolling failed armor pen tests and Graviton is Haywire.

[SirHudlebert]

Ok cool thanks dude, so final list going on your recommendations:

 

+++ 30k Alpha Legion 2k (2000pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++

 

+ HQ (307pts) +

 

Legion Centurion (115pts) [Artificer Armour, Bolter with only Banestrike Rounds, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field]

Consul [Vigilator]

 

Legion Praetor (192pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade]

Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

 

+ Troops (828pts) +

 

Legion Terminator Squad (218pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 3x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Reaper Autocannon]

Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (290pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (320pts) [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web and Flakk Missiles, Sniper]

Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Power Dagger]

 

+ Elites (300pts) +

 

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts)

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]

 

+ Fast Attack (320pts) +

 

Headhunter Kill Teams (320pts) [9x Headhunter, Heavy Bolter with Suspensor Web and Banestrike ammunition]

Headhunter Prime [Artificer Armour]

 

+ Heavy Support (245pts) +

 

Legion Heavy Support Squad (245pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines]

Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

 

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gonna have to convert the BAC terminators to have power axes which is gonna be a pain , if anyones got any ideas how to do that then that would be appreciated :P thanks for the help anyway buddy, think this should cover all of the bases, will just have to hope the enemy doesn't bring a crap ton of heavy armour ;)

[Slips]

Easiest most contrived way would be to put underslung and very-clearly-an-axe Axe heads on the underside of the Power Fists and just make it REALLY clear to your opponent that they're axes and not fists/Chain fists unless you pay for them.

[xera32]

Your veteran squads need Rhinos. And taking power daggers on sergeants is a poor choice. A bolt pistol + CCW will do as much as the specialist dagger as it loses you an attack and a point of S. For your Praetor, drop the digi lasers and master crafting, and take a power dagger instead. Saves you 25 points for the loss of 1 reroll to hit.

What is your vigilator there for? is 115 points for stealth and scout worth it? If you are infiltrating his scout doesn't help much, if you are scouting it is wasted completely. If you tank hunt it can sort of help your heavy weapons team, but if you are facing that much armour those 5 marines will be the first things to die. If I was to take your list and tweak it a little it would look like:-

 

Praetor    (if in Artificer Armour with Iron Halo is 2pts cheaper)

Cataphractii, Paragon Blade, Power Dagger, Combi-Weapon
    
5 Terminators    

3x Combi Weapon, 1x Chainfist, 1x Powerfist, 1x Reaper

10 Veterans    

2x Heavy Bolter, Melta Bombs, Serg w/ AA, Combi Weapon
Rhino

    
10 Veterans    

2x Missile w/ Flakk, Melta Bombs, Serg w/ AA, Combi Weapon
Rhino    
    
Contemptor Mortis    

2x Kheres

1 Rapier    

1x Quad Mortar

1 Rapier    

1x Quad Mortar
    
5 Heavy Support    

4x Lascannon, Serg w/ AA and Augury Scanner
 

 

This comes to 1578, has plebs in each unit that can catch bullets, in the case of the heavy support it is the AA sergeant. The veterans have much needed mobility and artillery protection, and thanks to the small footprint of the rhino is easier to hide to get close in with infiltrate. This list wants to infiltrate usually, as the rapiers and lascannons need a good firing position to not be LoS blocked and where cover is not easy to come by.

At this point I would add either a unit of headhunters (which I have found to be underwhelming) or a unit of seekers that cost about the same, but are much more flexible at shooting.
 

10 Headhunters   335/370pts

2 Heavy Bolter, Serg w/ AA, Power Fist

Rhino optional

 

or

 

9 Seekers   365pts
8x Combi Weapon, Serg w/ AA, Melta Bombs
Rhino

I personally would take the seekers, but either option would leave you ~60 points to fill out a squad a bit, or take some upgrades throughout the army.