Bartali Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm thinking of trying out an old style AV13 list with double FTSF detachments to give me six HS slots. I'd also like to field two Sicarans, one in each detachment. If I'm reading it correctly, the secondary detachment *must* take a Keeper of the Relics to take a Sicaran ? Trying to avoid taking a Chaplain tax as he'd be otherwise be wasted in the list. On the other hand if I'm taking a Chaplain, the temptation would be to take more than two Sicarans.... Have people tried experimenting with 6 Baal/Pred/Vindicators/Sicarans in 7th ? Would be interested to hear what combos have worked for you. I don't play in a 'hard' enviroment so the usual marine mech shortcomings don't apply too much. I mostly play Maelstrom so the mobility of the BA tanks and Sicarans helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Solid wall of fast AV13 supported by jumpers is a stellar tactic that is unique to us. Will work wonders in a lighter meta such as yours too :) Why not just take the two Sicarans in one detachment so only one chaplain? And why not make one a CAD/BSF? Same number of HS slots and you get some obj sec / initiative etc Chappys are good, between furious charge and rerolls they can do a lot to even an average combat unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 If you want more than one Relic of the Armoury, you'll indeed need a Chaplain (or Astorath). Note that if you put want one Sicaran in Detachment #1, and put the Chaplain and another Sicaran in Detachment #2, Detachment #1 has to be your Primary Detachment and thus contain your Warlord. Alternatively, just put both Sicarans in the detachment with the chaplain in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 No matter how you do it, if you want 2+ units with the Relic of the Armoury special rule, you will require a Chaplain (or Astorath) somewhere in your list. Just out of interest, what HQ were you thinking of using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 I was hoping to take Librarian Dreadnoughts. Very roughly at 1500 :- FTSF 1 Lib Dread 5x Tacticals w/ HF, Rhino Drop Pod Sicaran Baal/Pred/Vindi Baal/Pred/Vindi FTSF 2 Lib Dread w/ Pod Cassor the Damned Drop Pod Sicaran Baal/Pred/Vindi Baal/Pred/Vindi As you can see, not much point in a Chaplain. May stick with just the one Sicaran to avoid having to take the Chaplain tax, but when Sicarans are so much better than regular BA tanks... I'll have to have a play around in Battlescribe and see what it kicks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 At 2k I run a dual FTSF Mech list, but I haven't quite ironed the kinks out of it yet. ... probably because my most recent version of the list looks like this: Flesh Tearers Strike Force Furioso Librarian Dreadnought ~ Level two upgrade ~ Malefic ~ Warlord Scout Squad (5) ~ Shotgun (1) ~ Melta bombs Bike Squadron ~ Grav guns (2) ~ Combi-grav and melta bombs ~ Attack Bike ~~ Multi-melta Land Raider Redeemer Sicaran Battle Tank ~ Hunter-killer missile ~ Legacy of Glory: Schism of Mars Stormraven Gunship ~ Legacy of Glory: War of Murder Flesh Tearers Strike Force Techmarine ~ Auspex Tactical Squad (5) ~ Heavy flamer ~ 2 x bolt pistol and melta bombs Assault Squad (5) ~ Melta guns (2) ~ Combi-melta, bolt pistol and melta bombs ~ Drop Pod Whirlwind Predator ~ Lascannon sponsons ~ Overcharged engines Vindicator ~ Overcharged engines ~ Stormbolter Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer ~ Heavy bolter sponsons ~ Pintle-mounted heavy bolter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Is Astorath confirmed to be a Keeper of Relics? Pretty unusual since he is named. And pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 As confirmed as the regular Chaplain is, I suppose. All we have is mails from FW, as the books still reference the Reclusiarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 They said 'a Chaplain', and Astorath is technically 'a Chaplain', so I'd say legit until FW say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 They said 'a Chaplain', and Astorath is technically 'a Chaplain', so I'd say legit until FW say otherwise. Well, I would argue against it. There is an exact entry in the book, which is called 'Chaplain'. That entry needs to be present to fulfill the requirement. Astorath does not have the 'Chaplain' entry, but rather 'Astorath the Grim', which is not the same. Going purely by RAW, Astorath does not qualify. RAI is something else. Maybe ask FW sprecifically if Astorath is fine or just the regular dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I agree with you regarding RAW, but you'd think seeing as Astorath is more expensive (and fluff-wise more senior) he should be able to sanctify the use of Relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Maybe ask FW sprecifically if Astorath is fine or just the regular dude.I believe someone already did, and got answered that Astorath qualifies. I'll see if I can dig it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305161-ba-centric-faq-compilation/?p=3988247&do=findComment&comment=3988247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Ah, I guess I'm thinking of this post then: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/305161-ba-centric-faq-compilation/?p=3988426 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I’ll probably have a go with this list, can’t really make a Chaplain work at 1500 for a second Sicaran FTSF 1 Librarian Dreadnought w/ ML2, Drop Pod Cassor the Damned Drop Pod Baal Predator w/ Flamestorm, Dozer Blade Predator w/ Overcharged engines, AutoCannon/LasCannon, Dozer Blade Relic Sicaran w/ Dozer Blade FTSF 2 Librarian Dreadnought 5x Tacticals w/ Heavy Flamer, Rhino w/ Dozer Blade Drop Pod Predator w/ Overcharged engines, AutoCannon/LasCannon, Dozer Blade Vindicator w/ Overcharged engines, Siege Shield Vindicator w/ Overcharged engines, Siege Shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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