the emperor is scottish Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 So what's this guys deal? I think it's in Lightnight tower Dorn states that malcador was so extraordinary because he was so unextraordinary. That among a galaxy of demi God's and supermen he stood as an equal even though he was simply a 'normal' human. Yet in The first heretic he survives a blow from a primarch by using a psychic shield. And since then I've read that he was only second in psychic might to the emperor and magnus. I think I prefer that one of the most powerful men in the galaxy and first high lord of terra was just a normal , if extremely intelligent, man. What do you guys think? Also what kind of power did Malcador wield in the Imperium? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think Dorn might say that because he's not a transhuman, perpetual, super-xenos or anything like that. He's really just an old, frail man, but underneath that is someone near-godly in power. I dunno if that makes sense, I am well all over the shop today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 So what's this guys deal? I think it's in Lightnight tower Dorn states that malcador was so extraordinary because he was so unextraordinary. That among a galaxy of demi God's and supermen he stood as an equal even though he was simply a 'normal' human. Yet in The first heretic he survives a blow from a primarch by using a psychic shield. And since then I've read that he was only second in psychic might to the emperor and magnus. I think I prefer that one of the most powerful men in the galaxy and first high lord of terra was just a normal , if extremely intelligent, man. What do you guys think? Also what kind of power did Malcador wield in the Imperium? Spoiler: A little bit drunk here. He had an insane amount of power I suppose, You could look at him at being the Voice of the Emperor when he was doing his thing with the webway project. The main thing about him in my eyes (other than the whole inquisition and HLOT) is that he unselfishly sacrificed himself upon the golden throne, which he was bound to die on so the Emperor could do his thing. So he had to be the powerful Psychic, because Magnus could not take his place. It could be said that the Emperor would not have been able to have gone up to the Vengeful Spirit and Horus could potentially have won had Malcador not done that. There is probably a lot more detail towards Malcador, but I am not overkeen on him :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 He also blooped a freaking planet (well, planet-sized moon) out of reality with his damn mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 He was powerful enough that his powers were not blocked by the sisters of silence. He has to be the most powerful human psyker. I think he is older then your average human to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 He was the Emperors Right-Hand Man, above the Primarchs and was made Reagent of the Imperium when the Big E went into seclusion for the Webway Project. That should give you a good enough idea of the amount of power/respect he commanded. Hell, he made the moon of Titan Disappear for a bit while they trained up the first Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 He was powerful enough that his powers were not blocked by the sisters of silence. He has to be the most powerful human psyker. I think he is older then your average human to. Just read Dæmonology, and I can confirm that last point, as he has spent "many lifetimes" getting all the stuff in his quarters, and he's been around since at least the Wars of Unification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 He was a perpetual that got :cussed up by the golden throne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 You see I thought he was a perpetual but I'm not 100percent sure he was now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Anything I have read indicates that he is an incredibly powerful psyker and is the emperor's right hand. I think he has been around since at least he start of the great crusade, though I don't think anything has been written about when/ how he started working for the emperor. Personally I think he has been working with emperor for a long time and may even be his son. It would explain his loyalty and psychic ability. Living a couple hundred years seems standard for imperial nobility, it would have to be something else other than imperial tech if he has been around much longer than the start of the great crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think he was a Perpetual. We know the Emperor favored them, and often chose them as his personal agents. Malcador was wise, psychically powerful, seemingly unimpressed during conversations with Primarchs and so on. A very long lifetime would explain these things, as well as why the Emperor trusted him so much; if Malcador was with the Emperor before he became the Emperor, it would explain a great deal of their relationship. He'd be the Jacopo to the Emperor's Edmund Dantes; the loyal follower that sees behind the façade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 You know, he could just be so powerful that he has extended his own life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Here's something to think about: We know from Abnett's writings that super-powerful psykers (A+ grade and upwards), usually tend to be psychologically unstable. We also know that, barring the Emperor, Malcador is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium (well, the most powerful non-transhuman). Just imagine the willpower the guy has to simply stay sane. Think about what he's capable of and what nightmares he saw, and then marvel that he didn't go utterly potty at some point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So what's this guys deal? I think it's in Lightnight tower Dorn states that malcador was so extraordinary because he was so unextraordinary. That among a galaxy of demi God's and supermen he stood as an equal even though he was simply a 'normal' human. Yet in The first heretic he survives a blow from a primarch by using a psychic shield. And since then I've read that he was only second in psychic might to the emperor and magnus. I think I prefer that one of the most powerful men in the galaxy and first high lord of terra was just a normal , if extremely intelligent, man. What do you guys think? Also what kind of power did Malcador wield in the Imperium? Spoiler: A little bit drunk here. He had an insane amount of power I suppose, You could look at him at being the Voice of the Emperor when he was doing his thing with the webway project. The main thing about him in my eyes (other than the whole inquisition and HLOT) is that he unselfishly sacrificed himself upon the golden throne, which he was bound to die on so the Emperor could do his thing. So he had to be the powerful Psychic, because Magnus could not take his place. It could be said that the Emperor would not have been able to have gone up to the Vengeful Spirit and Horus could potentially have won had Malcador not done that. There is probably a lot more detail towards Malcador, but I am not overkeen on him Actually Magnus running the Golden Throne appears to be exactly what the Emperor intended (see A Thousand Sons). My personal read is that Magnus is more powerful than Malcador, if only because Magnus spent the better part of two centuries wielding his psychic power on the battlefield. I don't think Malcador was a perpetual, certainly he seems to have lived a long time, having collected relics from seemingly the very start of the unification wars, but I don't recall any evidence that he had the sort of lifespan that some of the other perpetuals have referenced. My read is that he's used his psychic powers to stave off many (but not all) of the effects of old age, and could perhaps have survived indefinitely through continuous use of biomancy to regenerate old cells. Of course as Olis says, who knows what the long term psychological effects would be? As a comparison most ancient tech priests also seem to go a bit nuts as they chop off and regenerate bits in order to extend their life spans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So what's this guys deal? I think it's in Lightnight tower Dorn states that malcador was so extraordinary because he was so unextraordinary. That among a galaxy of demi God's and supermen he stood as an equal even though he was simply a 'normal' human. Yet in The first heretic he survives a blow from a primarch by using a psychic shield. And since then I've read that he was only second in psychic might to the emperor and magnus. I think I prefer that one of the most powerful men in the galaxy and first high lord of terra was just a normal , if extremely intelligent, man. What do you guys think? Also what kind of power did Malcador wield in the Imperium? Spoiler: A little bit drunk here. He had an insane amount of power I suppose, You could look at him at being the Voice of the Emperor when he was doing his thing with the webway project. The main thing about him in my eyes (other than the whole inquisition and HLOT) is that he unselfishly sacrificed himself upon the golden throne, which he was bound to die on so the Emperor could do his thing. So he had to be the powerful Psychic, because Magnus could not take his place. It could be said that the Emperor would not have been able to have gone up to the Vengeful Spirit and Horus could potentially have won had Malcador not done that. There is probably a lot more detail towards Malcador, but I am not overkeen on him Actually Magnus running the Golden Throne appears to be exactly what the Emperor intended (see A Thousand Sons). My personal read is that Magnus is more powerful than Malcador, if only because Magnus spent the better part of two centuries wielding his psychic power on the battlefield. I mean, He could not take the place because of the events that took place leading into and during the heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So what's this guys deal? I think it's in Lightnight tower Dorn states that malcador was so extraordinary because he was so unextraordinary. That among a galaxy of demi God's and supermen he stood as an equal even though he was simply a 'normal' human. Yet in The first heretic he survives a blow from a primarch by using a psychic shield. And since then I've read that he was only second in psychic might to the emperor and magnus. I think I prefer that one of the most powerful men in the galaxy and first high lord of terra was just a normal , if extremely intelligent, man. What do you guys think? Also what kind of power did Malcador wield in the Imperium? Spoiler: A little bit drunk here. He had an insane amount of power I suppose, You could look at him at being the Voice of the Emperor when he was doing his thing with the webway project. The main thing about him in my eyes (other than the whole inquisition and HLOT) is that he unselfishly sacrificed himself upon the golden throne, which he was bound to die on so the Emperor could do his thing. So he had to be the powerful Psychic, because Magnus could not take his place. It could be said that the Emperor would not have been able to have gone up to the Vengeful Spirit and Horus could potentially have won had Malcador not done that. There is probably a lot more detail towards Malcador, but I am not overkeen on him Actually Magnus running the Golden Throne appears to be exactly what the Emperor intended (see A Thousand Sons). My personal read is that Magnus is more powerful than Malcador, if only because Magnus spent the better part of two centuries wielding his psychic power on the battlefield. I mean, He could not take the place because of the events that took place leading into and during the heresy Ah yes, I see. Apologies, you're not the only slightly drunk one! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServiceStuds Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 *Warning Wild Conspiracy Theory* I've always wondered if it was possible that Malcador was the Emperor. Crazy right? It can't possibly be true. Malcador died on the Golden Throne; he crumbled to dust keeping the seat warm while the Emperor duked it out with Horus. But something has never sat right with me about the relationship between Malcador and the Emperor. The Emperor has always been portrayed as this iconic, nameless, very detached, mythical figure. There hasn't ever really been any personal insight into who he was. He is never portrayed as relatable in any way. The only times he does is in psychic dreams (Outcast Dead), or in wierd anecdotes from his Sons. But we do know that the memories of the Primatchs can be suspect (vengeful spirit). Malcador on the other hand, is present in many stories as a character with an actual personality and somewhat relatable goals. He is always dismissed as the Emperor's hand, but that's the perfect cover of anonymity. He can scheme and manipulate the Imperium in reletive safety while the galaxy watches the Emperor. So then who the hell is the Emperor? My guess? A psychic projection from the "second"(read:sarcasm) greatest psyker in the Galaxy. We already know the Emperor is capable of changing his appearance, look at how he introduced himself to Russ and Ferrus. Heck even the artwork of Emperor portrays him as an iconic, statuesque, demi god of humanity. Key word: Iconic. Imagine if it was all a ruse, Malcador sits back and runs the Imperium while his enemies and his volatile Sons vex themselves over a psychic projection, an Icon with no name or history, just legends and myths. How can you fight something like that? How can you kill something like that? But then why? Didn't Malcador die? It all falls apart at the Siege. Unless... Godhood. That's right my friends. He wanted to become a God. From the very beginning. Always. It was always the goal. Godhood. Just think, what if the grand plan of the Golden Throne was to create a God. To give someone Godhood. To remove the mortal coil and elevate the psychic. To disintegrate Malcador's coropreal form and transfer his essence to the Immaterium where he would reign supreme as the God of Humanity. But wouldn't something like that require energy? A transferance of power? A ritual? And what a ritual the Siege of Terra would have been. Calth? The Ruinstorm? It pales in comparison to the destruction wreaked by the majority of the Legiones Astartes for 55 days in the very cradle of Humanity. Is it possible the greatest psyker in the Galaxy have manipulated this scenario? Could he have psychically projected himself to do battle with his Son while his coropreal form was sacrificed on the Golden Throne? Would that mean the Heresy was all his design? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Maybe I'm getting out of hand here. Perhaps Malcador's "agents of an inquisitive nature" will come for me and my heretical ramblings. For the Imperial truth is now disappearing and the faith is growing stronger... Perhaps I'll just have another beer and forget all of this non-sense... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Well. Wasn't it the old King story that had the Emperor basically dead as they brought him to the Throne and Malcador holding on for dear life and then giving up a spark to jump start the Emperor? I always figured that the Emperor gave a portion of his psychic might to Malcador. Sort of how he did it to that "watcher" in the Mechanicum story. As for the why, we can only speculate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4241997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 *Warning Wild Conspiracy Theory* I've always wondered if it was possible that Malcador was the Emperor. It's something that crossed my mind when reading the opening battle of Horus Rising. Whereas the "Emperor" of 63-19 was actually the big guy on the throne, and the frail old man was a decoy, could it be that the Imperium worked the other way? Perhaps. Perhaps Malcador is there since the Emperor's "birth", and of the same nature, but keeping to darkness. Perhaps he is a mere psyker from Old Night, who so happened to be extremely gifted. Perhaps he was a creation the Emperor, and a prototype for the psychic future of mankind. That's something we'll never know, much like we'll never know what were the IInd and XIth legion, or Alpharius' homeworld, or the nature of the Barbarusan witch-lords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm sure I've heard/read something about Malcador being one of the Emporor's descendants... Big E is a Perpetual, so he's been around a long time. In past canon, it was hinted that he was pretty important people throughout history, like Hitler, St. George (and the Dragon), Jesus, etc. I think during his many millennia, he fathered some kids and nurtured them towards certain goals. Malcador is one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm sure I've heard/read something about Malcador being one of the Emporor's descendants... Big E is a Perpetual, so he's been around a long time. In past canon, it was hinted that he was pretty important people throughout history, like Hitler, St. George (and the Dragon), Jesus, etc. I think during his many millennia, he fathered some kids and nurtured them towards certain goals. Malcador is one of them. Subtle way of saying Hitler & Jesus are the same guy. Also he was George AND the Dragon?! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! hehehehhehehehehhehehehehehhehehehehehehhehehehehehehhe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm sure I've heard/read something about Malcador being one of the Emporor's descendants... Big E is a Perpetual, so he's been around a long time. In past canon, it was hinted that he was pretty important people throughout history, like Hitler, St. George (and the Dragon), Jesus, etc. I think during his many millennia, he fathered some kids and nurtured them towards certain goals. Malcador is one of them. Subtle way of saying Hitler & Jesus are the same guy. I think the examples given in the lore leaned more towards messianic/heroic figures rather than, ahem, Hitler. And regarding the Emperor as being a Perpetual - unless he potentially dies at some point and is able to resurrect (as hinted at in older Lore), then he's technically not a Perpetual. He's simply immortal (and can sire Perpetuals). In the old lore, the shamans that contributed to the genesis of the Emperor were more or less Perpetuals, but created him so that they didn't have to brave the dangers of the warp so that they could reincarnate. Going by this, it's more likely he's not strictly a Perpetual, but something related. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 That's right my friends. He wanted to become a God. From the very beginning. Always. It was always the goal. Godhood. I really hope that's not the case. I like the Emperor as someone whose sole goal is to ensure human survival in a hostile galaxy at any cost, including being forced to writhe with agony for ten millenia just so his species can endure, not someone who will sacrifice everyone around him to become a god, like that Kane jerk from the Command & Conquer series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terkael Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 *Warning Wild Conspiracy Theory* I've always wondered if it was possible that Malcador was the Emperor. This is a neat idea, very Machiavellian yet benevolent. So many events in the lore are driven by Malcador while Big E just seems to laze about as a figure head, I suppose we will see more in some of the upcoming novels. Granted the concept of the Emperor as a false idol is pleasing to my Chaos senses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It'd be interesting to see if not all the shamans were able to coalesce into a singular being, and the off shoot went into Malcador. So in a sense they are brothers or one and the same person, but in two separate bodies. I'm imagining Alpharius/Omegon level mindfuggery here when they release the truth about Malcs relationship to the Emps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316697-the-sigillite/#findComment-4242436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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