nismogrendel Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I have a few questions about formations/detachments/the CAD. I have the mini rulebook from Dark Vengeance, AM Codex and the new Montka book (but none of them in front of me currently). If there are a few specific pages in those books that will clear me up, please point me that way. So right now the way I play guard is using the regular CAD. I understand the CAD and have no issues with it. My question is how does the CAD work with the new formations?Can I take a CAD and then take the new Sentinel formation giving those sentinels the orders/outflanking armored sentinels? I'd like to just take my regular CAD (HQ/ Platoon w/ conscripts / melta vet chimeras) and then pop in some of the formation pieces that look interesting/fun. That way my platoon/conscripts/vets have objective secured, and I get new fun stuff like sentinels w/ orders. Is this legal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 An army can be made from numerous Detachments. With a Formation being a special type of Detachment, you're well within your rights to form an army using a CAD and any Formation which has a datasheet for it. Now I don't have Mont'Ka in front of me but if there is a Sentinel Formation with it's own entry in the book then, enjoy :) As for Orders, I believe these are Faction locked as opposed to Detachment locked? If it's the former than you may issue Orders to any Faction: Astra Millitarum units in your army. If it's the latter, then you may only issue them to those in the CAD. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4246805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 To add: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4246807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morroccomole Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 From browsing the "Choosing your Army" section of the BRB, it sounds to me like formations are just another type of detachment, like a CAD, or allied detachment, so your formation of sentinels will be legal. Now the question will be what the wording for the Mont'ka formations will allow for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4246834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismogrendel Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Thanks guys, cleared my questions up perfectly. To add: That image is great. So IG CAD, ally grey knights and take montka formations piecemeal would work perfectly. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4246838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Note though that unless you use the super-formation you don't get the Decurion benefits for those formations (orders on 3d6/whatever else Mont'ka allows.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4247611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just want to point out two errors on the Graphic. 1- An Allied Detachment has to (normally) be from a different list, but can be from the same faction. Ie is an Astra Militarum force can be the primary detachment, and you can the some allies from the Space marine codex. Dispite being the same Faction. 2- Also the BAO format has been replaced with the ITC format and it allows for 3 formations now (With some duplication) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4248589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just want to point out two errors on the Graphic. 1- An Allied Detachment has to (normally) be from a different list, but can be from the same faction. Ie is an Astra Militarum force can be the primary detachment, and you can the some allies from the Space marine codex. Dispite being the same Faction. 2- Also the BAO format has been replaced with the ITC format and it allows for 3 formations now (With some duplication) Astra Millitarum and Adeptus Astartes Space Marines are not the same Faction. They do, however, come under the same umbrella term of "Armies of the Imperium" when it comes to the ally matrix. The ally matrix dictates how Factions interact with one another and has nothing whatsoever to do with an Allied Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4248592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Astra Millitarum and Adeptus Astartes Space Marines are not the same Faction. They do, however, come under the same umbrella term of "Armies of the Imperium" when it comes to the ally matrix. The ally matrix dictates how Factions interact with one another and has nothing whatsoever to do with an Allied Detachment. Yes... I should have just used the Chaos Example.. its the one I am more used too. Erm yes. (Mutters about imperials having all the special rules) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4248614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 You can ally Astra militarum, with Elysians, or Death Korps, or Militarum Tempestus, despite the fact that MT can be found in the AM codex, or that Elysians and Death Korps use the same equipment as the AM codex. In fact they are all treated as separate factions despite all falling under the umbrella of the Astra militarum, because each has their own distinct books that they draw from. You cannot, however, ally AM to AM (using an allied detachment), since your ally (AD) cannot be from the same faction as your warlord. You can go dual CAD and be perfectly fine, and just declare one as your primary detachment. That said, that's just from the BRB, tournament rules tend to be more restrictive, and thus you'd need to check on that. I hate tournaments so I'd be the last guy to really ask about that. But to answer the original question, yes you can field a formation from Mont'ka alongside an AM CAD and be bound or battle forged or whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316918-question-about-cad-montka-formations/#findComment-4248631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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