Kastor Krieg Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yet anoher theory ! Please allow me to quote myself from another thread: But, wait! MAYBE with Caliban destroyed, AL impersonated DA as a whole and thus remained hidden during and after the Heresy. And that's why they haven't made it to Terra. And that's why they have a loyal faction chasing a traitor faction, because ALL THE SECRETS. And that's what Cypher is carrying to Terra - the Pale Spear and his intent is to pledge allegiance to Him on the Golden Throne to redeem the loyalist Alpha Legion? Only there's also Omegon, doing EXACTLY THE SAME, but intent on SLAYING the Emperor? He is racing against his brother, each head of the Hydra snapping at each other, which indefinitely stalls them both and they've been at this since they fled into the Eye and reformed? Don't mind me, instant head canon. Well, maybe not ALL of DA were suddenly AL, but SOME. Just think about it. DA had pretty beefy casualties and reinforced themselves strongly from Caliban. Caliban which was, as we know it, Chaos influenced, if not infested throughout. Caliban, the home of the mythical beasts! A Hydra fits there perfectly. Imagine Luther had a huge case of YOU ARE NOT MY MUM! when "Lion" returned to Caliban for the last time (and maybe was Alpharius/Omegon)? Or maybe by then Luther was already mad? Not in the Chaos Got His Sanity way mad, just insane because the AL misdirections and techniques have shown him there is NO WAY he can know what is true and then he has turned against the Lion, firing at his ships... Was it a warning, a HERE BE THE DRAGONS? Was it an attempt to quarantine Caliban until all was made clear? Was he close to unveiling all heads of the Hydra? All the lies within the lies? Is this what the DA are trying to really hide? That after 10 thousand years they are still unable to un:cuss the cluster:cuss of deception that the twin primarchs of AL have wrought? Is this REALLY the Lion sleeping under the Rock? Or is that one of the XX Primarchs? Is THIS why neither Luther or Azrael know he has healed despite the stasis and only the Chaos-proof Jawas have access to him? Questions upon questions and misdirection for deception, lies for truth and lies for lies. Proper Alpha Legion work. Proper Dark Angel secretive fell. Both are the one. Neither is the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 That's a fun theory. Never know with know sneaky AL. I'm eager to see what happens with primarch as near the end of the HH or if they will do a separate series on the fate of the primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4247340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Is this REALLY the Lion sleeping under the Rock? That Jonson is sleeping deep down in the Rock has to be about the most unambiguous pieces of lore in all of 40K. We are told that "only the Emperor" knows about it, so it is not an old Imperial myth, it is not a secret Inquisitorial dossier, and it is not even top secret information from the inner circle of the Dark Angels Chapter itself. It is an omniscient narrator telling us what's what. I usually point to this very piece of lore to demonstrate that Codex lore is not just "what contemporary Imperial historians think", but accurate background information straight from the 40K authors. From the Introduction of the 6th Edition Codex Dark Angels: "Within this tome can be found the truth about the Dark Angels' shadowy past. These pages reveal an epic tale of betrayal and tragedy. Best of all, you can join the most brooding and gothic of Space Marine Chapters in their ongoing war, but will your quest for vengeance lead to atonement or cross the line into eternal damnation?" "HOW THIS CODEX WORKS Codex: Dark Angels contains the following sections: • The Dark Angels: The first section introduces the Dark Angels, including their origins, the Fall of their homeworld of Caliban, and the secrets of their dark heritage. A history of their many battles for redemption follows. • (...)" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4247353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 If BL actually does this...I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4247432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Isn't it enough to discuss what the Fallen Angels and furthermore Cypher are all about? No, we create additional theories and lies within lies conspiracies before it gets boring. Although this sounds likely, I don't believe that. If BL would really do something like: Legion XY is in fact the Alpha Legion! dun dun dun... I would be like: kkthxbye /ragequit That would ruin everything concerning the AL. At least for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4249433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 Well, BUT if the story would go, say "There are remnants of the loyalist and traitor Alpha Legion, mixed into the Dark Angels and their Successors, locked in constant espionage war with both traitor and loyal elements of the actual Dark Angels" - that'd be pure amazeballs and perfectly underline both the character of the AL, as well as finally explaining why DA have chosen to keep all the secrets and resolve the matters internally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4249612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Isn't there some fluff about secret "legion" building whereby the successor masters all report to the DA grand master though? Which would imply Azrael is AL, amassing secret strength to make good on something? Maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4249752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 As an Alpha Legion fan, I have always love the certain similarities between the First Legion and Alpha Legion. As of now, I am owe my loyalty to the First Legion. The First Legion actually has better written fluff of secrets & deception whereas Alpha Legion is deliberately left mysterious & vague (Only HH enrich its rich pool of troll moments and just-as-planned moments)No matter how good Alpha Legion is, Gav Thorpe has already mentioned that it is very hard for Alpha Legion to infiltrate the First Legion because it is very insular and has its own secret hierarchy. That is also the same reason why you won't find any warrior lodges in the First Legion as it also boasts its own unique chaplain tradition. The blurb in one of the Forge World Horus Heresy books has indicated even Alpharius has set foot in Caliban (Alan Bligh is so cheeky)Anyway, not even Alpha Legion can fool the Watchers In The Dark lolCypher works hand in hand with the Watchers, so definitely not Alpharius unless he pledges to that part of ''secret cabal'' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4251480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It's a fun fan theory but I find it unlikely to have any truth to it. Mixing first founding legions would be terrible in my opinion. It would ruin their originality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316927-where-da-are-al-and-both-cyphers-are-alpharius/#findComment-4259321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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