Hergrmir Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 So I've finally gotten around to assembling my two BaC boxes, and it's been years since I've picked up a paintbrush. I'd actually lke to get some colours on these for once, and I think I'm going to go with the Raven Guard. I'm wondering if anyone's got some suggestions for how to distinguish RG black from IH or DA black. The FW panels seem to give them more of a matte look, but I don't know if that's too complex/unattainable at 28mm. Also, are there any interesting sources on Raven Guard outside of the now-ancint Index Astartes and the FW Heresy books? I'm looking for some inspiration to give them a bit of pizazz - on the one hand I think Raven Guard might be the most likely to be plain and unadorned (well, the Alphas maybe, but they do so manipulate attention, whereas the Ravens just want to avoid attention altogether, methinks), but on the other some zing would be nice. Offhand one option would be to aim for ragged survivors after the 98 days, so patches of armour in green and metal that are kept that way to honour their cousins who also bled and died under traitor guns, and maybe a few choice pieces of kit in traitor colours with some despoiled legion markings or eyes of Horus on them. Another option is to use a lot of those pouches we don't often see - if they're undertaking extensive operations in the field far from resupply, then they might be toting around extra ammo, replacement parts, nutrient paste and the like. I like the idea that Kiavahr's tech-guilds remain a bit apart from Mars, and while it would't have any game effect I think imagining those pouches carrying replacement lens grinders and ceramite filler and so on makes sense. Feathers, or even some bird skulls might be an option also, especially since the Deathwing have pretty much dropped feathers as their schtick. I also like to have little shoutouts to the real-world history of 40k in my minis. The first Black Templar I painted when I was a kid had a green chest eagle because of a mention in 2E's Codex Ultramarines that the Black Templars, a then-codex compliant chapter, displayed company colours that way. If there's some interesting or distinct mentions made that can call back to 1st or 2nd edition, or even call-forwards to successor chapters, I'd consider that. As to list, I'm thinking Chosen or Pride RoWs, and build tac sniper vets with heavy bolters and tac melta vets with tank hunter, and one day buy a Caestus to carry around the Cataphracts in. The two dreads are going to be arm swapped for Mortis patterns, and they'll either be in a talon with a third, and I'll pick up some rapiers to infiltrate in the elites slots. I might well have one 20-strong tac vet for an unconverted Chaplain to walk with, though our meta (it's casual, we're playing through the campaign in Book 1 now and will go to 2 in a few weeks) is about to encounter a Spartan or two from some of the players, so I'll have to think about an effective answer to that. Anyhow, thanks for any advice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I forgot which paint, I read a few hours ago that one RG player uses a shade of blue to edge highlight armour. It'd fit quite well, seeing that Ravens (and other members of the Corvid family) have shades of blues and greens in their feathers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Few methods that I know of for Black, a fair few of them visible in the WIP / Painting Challenges here on the Sub-Forum: #1: Eshin Gray Base Coat Multiple Coats of Nuln Oil Highlight in gray #2: Abaddon Black (or equivalent) Highlight in a Base Paint such as:Incubi Darkness Kantor Blue Eshin Gray Naggaroth Night These would be my own preferences in painting RG Black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 So here's a question, do you want them black? How about an extremely dark grey instead? For my templars I became extremely frustrated with trying to make black look sastifactory. I found some cool minis by our very own Brother Honda, and I tried that out. You essentially use vallejo German Grey. With some other stuff, I usually include a nulin oil wash to make things darker. Just a thought. Though it might be two light for you. For the raven guard I always imagined that they made their armor black for practical reasons, due to their nature of striking in the dark. To this end I would try to make a more pure black, essentially maybe a black paint and then a nulin wash with minimal highlighting. The third option is to have a weathered look to your raven guard. At istvaan the raven guard suffered the worst out of all the loyalists. If I remember correctly the raven guard lost about half of their legion to the enemy. This meant that every survivor was essentially hard boiled, no nonsense soldier. Based off your army selection of pride of the legion your force fits pretty well of a force of bad ass's. For this you could mainly sponge weathering with highlighting being a metal color instead of the regular grey. I doubt there are many iron hands who do that. Or you could go with the blue wash. Hope that helped at all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 you can just edge highlight with eshin grey and dawstone or dark reaper and thunderhawk blue, if you want a eavy metal look. you can pre shad the models by undercoating with black spray, then doing a zenithal highlight with white under coat and then paint black in thin coats or using an air brush for a more forge world look. another good technique is to use a light silver to paint chips around all the edge and then weather the whole model with orange or brown weathering pigments and then seal with a spray varnish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlover Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I've been considering Incubi Darkness with several washes of black over the top for my Black Legion. Dragonlover Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayasu Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Forgeworld sell an excellent paint for Ravens, called Corvus Black. It's a lovely shade of dark slate-blue. It's remarkable close to a colour I used to mix for my RG (3:1 Dark Reaper to Black). My honest suggestion would be to buy it. It's light enough to shade down the recesses and dark enough to highlight well and feel like Raven Guard. I edge highlight with Dark Reaper and a small blend of Russ Grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My iron hands are Black base coat Egde with eshin grey Wash with nuln oil Eshin grey again on sharp edges Its quick but looks pretty imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehip Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My recipe for Raven Guard: -Prime Black -Thinned down Abaddon Black over whole model -P3 Coal Black , blending into black (only do what would catch light and don't do more than 50% of that certain spot) -P3 Coal Black w/a little P3 Frostbite for edge highlight -Add a little more Frostbite to existing mix for final highlight I really like it, seems to fit more with a "Ravens Feathers" than most Here is my Chaplain for an example http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t590/onehip/Raven%20Guard/chaplain_zpszntzwui2.jpg http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t590/onehip/Raven%20Guard/chaplain2_zpsgdhoar10.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Dawnstone with a wash or 2 of nuln oil comes out nicely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I tend to use Vallejo black Vallejo black/black grey 50/50 Vallejo black grey Nuln oil wash highlight with black grey again that's only because I am not a fan of heavy edge highlighting when it comes to black. I would chuck a picture up, but I do not have a working camera. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Easy way to make it look awesome is to spray black, then paint over it in a dark grey, highlight with a lighter grey and then wash it with Nuln oil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I am going to give this a try @Black_out.... meant to quote you, forgot it doesn't work on my work computer XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I use the eshingrey method. In fact, I paint eshingrey and highlight with a lighter grey so when I do wash you get a nice highlight. Try not to do 3 black washes though, I find a blue of purple wash at the end helps soften the black. I've also experimented dry brushing silver before the wash to which helps give a weathered look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 German black green for the D.A would look really good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316940-simple-and-distinct-techniques-for-black-power-armour/#findComment-4247857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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