How WHTV painters handle brushes is getting on my nerves

[appiah4]

So I've been following the WHTV advent calendar series, which have been giving rather basic but fun tips about painting a lot of40K/AOS armies.. But one thing's getting on my nerves.  Both Emma and Duncan are using their brushes almost abusively.  Duncan has a terrible habbit of getting excess paint off a brush by pressing it against the palette or tissue as if he means to break it, and Emma uses brushes as if they are spoons while taking paint from pots, dipping it in all the way up to the ferrule.  Both are certain ways of killing your brushes, why do they keep doing this?

[Amayasu]

Employed by GW.

GW sell brushes.

Duncan creates video showing subtle brush abuse.

Brushes get damaged by misuse.

Painter buys new brushes.

The cycle repeats.

 

GW is saved, brush sales up by 243.7%.

[Bryan Blaire]

Perhaps this is a question better asked directly to the individuals or company involved. No one here is going to have insight to be able to answer your question. Idle speculation will do nothing toward generating a satisfactory answer.

 

=][= It would be much more constructive if this thread addresses the topic of "better ways to clean paint off a brush and transfer paint from the pot". Speculation on GW policy is not topically relevant to a portion of the board dedicated to Painting, Converting and Artwork. =][=

[appiah4]

Well, yeah sure, why not.. Oh wait, I know why not: They don't allow comments on their videos.

[Amayasu]

Perhaps this is a question better asked directly to the individuals or company involved. No one here is going to have insight to be able to answer your question. Idle speculation will do nothing toward generating a satisfactory answer.

 

 

=][= It would be much more constructive if this thread addresses the topic of "better ways to clean paint off a brush and transfer paint from the pot". =][=

 

 

Oh come on man, are fun rambling threads no longer tolerated here? And why remove tongue-in-cheek replies?

 

There is a valid point to the OP's post.

[Bryan Blaire]

Oh come on man, are fun rambling threads no longer tolerated here? And why remove tongue-in-cheek replies?

Rules of the B&C

ABSOLUTELY NO OFF-TOPIC DISCUSSIONS...

 

Post which break these restrictions may be deleted without notice.

I have clarified the topical relevancy issue above.

[Lucien Eilam]

I'd probably be a lot less careful with my brushes if I didn't have to pay for them too.

[Bryan Blaire]

There have been two things offered so far:
-Don't press too hard on the end of your brush against the palette. You could damage the brush or possibly even break it.

-Don't get paint up into the ferrule, it will damage the brush.

I would add:
-To transfer larger quantities of paint out of a pot to a palette, don't use a brush at all, use a squeeze dropper or easily washable implement, such as a sculpting tool, a small palette knife, a small metal spoon, or even a 0.5, 0.2 or 0.1 ml pipette (transfer most likely - plastic squeeze bulb style - or air displacement, possibly adjustable, if you are really fancy or a dorky scientist that happens to own one). Pipettes are also awesome ways to ensure paint mixes use almost exactly the same amount of paint per color for mixing, as opposed to having to eyeball drop sizes from a dropper.

[appiah4]

This is NOT a thread about handling brushes, I opened the thread to discuss WHTV's tutorials on PAINTING and how they are teaching people bad habbits, which I think is very much relevant and on topic discussions wrt what this forum is about. 

[Halandaar]

...and Emma uses brushes as if they are spoons while taking paint from pots...

 

My thought when watching the most recent video was actually, "How much paint is she wasting chucking it all over the palette? I'd be broke from replacing paints if I wasted that much every time." Which lines up pretty well with:

 

I'd probably be a lot less careful with my brushes if I didn't have to pay for them too.

 

 

Edit: Spelling is fun.

[Bryan Blaire]

This is NOT a thread about handling brushes, I opened the thread to discuss WHTV's tutorials on PAINTING and how they are teaching people bad habbits, which I think is very much relevant and on topic discussions wrt what this forum is about. If you will continue to push the discussion into what you think is on topic (and what I suspect you think is less controversial), then go ahead and just lock it already.

Then people should discuss bad habits, why they are bad habits, and how to do better, not GW, if GW is truly not the intended topic.

 

If the post is about bad habits with brushes, then GW or not doesn't make a difference. I'm ensuring that the forum is constructive to the hobby.

 

It's not a problem to say "don't get habits like those show in the GWTV, here's what you should do." That's constructive.

 

That's not what you posted. You posted a question about two people's habits, and those people are not here to answer, so the only responses can be speculation. Speculation is not constructive or truthful, and therefore off topic, nor does it better the hobby by helping people learn proper usage of brushes or other painting techniques. Even the title of your post is non-constructive. It is a personal negative statement, and could have been phrased much differently in an effort to be constructive, such as "GWTV displays poor brush habits, don't emulate and save your brushes" or some such. It could have also been simply "How GWTV handles brushes". I mean, it's fine that it gets on your nerves, but your nerves aren't really relevant to the hobby as a whole, the bad habits they are showing are.

[appiah4]

Ever heard of a 'rhetorical' question?  The question was not aimed at receiving answers about the painters' motives; I don't know why they do it - might be because they don't care because they have infinite expendable brushes, might be because they hate their job, might be because they simply don't know better.. Who gives a damn?  The point is, I made this thread to discuss their painting, and whether these guys should actually be on these videos.  These are people GW is putting up on a show to teach painting skills, and what they are doing is fundamentally wrong.  If we won't discuss this, then fudge it, let's not discuss it.  I mean, GW can never do wrong, and even when they do what's the point of discussing it, it serves no purpose (than to draw people's attention to the fact, which is actually a service in its own right..) Right?

[Amayasu]

Don't do what they did when they did it with the brushes. Be gentle. And use clean water. And don't dip it all in. And try not to bend the bristles. And maybe consider brush soap when you're done.

[Bryan Blaire]

Yeah, have heard of rhetorical questions, did a whole stint on rhetorical writing. ;) Methinks you don't really want to discuss writing techniques in the painting, conversion and artwork forum though.

 

Surely if you wanted to discuss bad habits, you would have started by now. I'm beginning to think that the point of the thread was for you to pontificate your views rather than improve the hobby. You have yet to actually discuss bad habits other than to point out two, which I have already restated above and asked for further discussion on.

 

And forgive me for saying, but the rules to this place seem entirely malleable based on the tag of the poster. There's a tutorial video post in the news section begging to be moved, but I guess that'll sit there, for reasons.

If you are referring to Kurgan's post, I would suggest using the Report button with an explanation that you think it is in the wrong place. If Kurgan agrees, he might move it. The site Admins are reasonable folks.

[appiah4]

Just lock the damn thing already.  Even I have zero interest left in discussing this further.

[Bryan Blaire]

Just lock the damn thing already.  Even I have zero interest left in discussing this further.

Luckily for others that might want to have further discussion, the board doesn't revolve around your personal interest in a topic (odd considering you started it).

 

Like appiah said, bad painting habits have relevance and merit for discussion. So we'll leave this open in hopes that someone else does still want to discuss them, and how they can be resolved, or good habits that can over come them.

[appiah4]

Well, luckily for others that might want to refrain from having to discuss what you mandate, the board doesn't revolve around your personal interest in a topic either.  I will not post on this thread any further and I kindly ask nobody else does.

 

If you want to discuss your interests do it in a topic you make on it, don't do it in mine.  I don't care if you are a mod here, or even own the place, but this is no way to moderate anything anywhere.  Just lock my thread and nuke it to oblivion because the whole argument here is a black mark on B&C's moderation team, who are usually so much better than this.

[Bryan Blaire]

Well, luckily for others that might want to refrain from having to discuss what you mandate, the board doesn't revolve around your personal interest in a topic either. I will not post on this thread any further and I kindly ask nobody else does.

 

If you want to discuss your interests do it in a topic you make on it, don't do it in mine. I don't care if you are a mod here, or even own the place, but this is no way to moderate anything anywhere. Just lock my thread and nuke it to oblivion because the whole argument here is a black mark on B&C's moderation team, who are usually so much better than this.

Appiah5, since you keep wanting to make pontifications publicly, realize that no one at the B&C, topic starter or otherwise, "owns" or has any possession of a thread on this board, unless you actually physically own the board, like Brother Argos. The thread is not "yours" or "mine" regardless of who started it.

 

And yes, the moderators do try and ensure constructiveness in topics and posts (constructive hobby is the mission of the board), so rather than continue down a non-constructive path, a more constructive discussion topic mirroring the original, namely bad habits in brush handling/painting and how to avoid them/do better, was presented.

 

For anyone else that wants to discuss:

Like appiah said, bad painting habits have relevance and merit for discussion. So we'll leave this open in hopes that someone else does still want to discuss them, and how they can be resolved, or good habits that can over come them.

[appiah4]

I'm not the one here speaking from a seat of authority yet I'm the one pontificating?  People in glass houses, and all that.

[Lord Blackwood]

I dont even know how to keep my brushes healthy 

I  do know I want one of those tear away palette things though they seem really helpful  though is it worse to paint from the pot or to mash brushes into a palette? 

[Disruptor_fe404]

Don't mash your brushes, or at least try not to!

 

I lightly run my brushes along tissue paper / kitchen towels to dry them, bur they will eventually die.

 

Brush soap helps a lot too.

[Grotsmasha]

I'm going to be honest, having watched ALL of the WHTV vids, the point about Emma is a fair one (side note: wth is she doing with her hand?!?!), but in regards to Duncan, the only time he's mashed his brush is with the dedicated "Dry Brush" brushes. They, and the paints have been designed to be used that way.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Bung]

This is NOT a thread about handling brushes, I opened the thread to discuss WHTV's tutorials on PAINTING and how they are teaching people bad habbits, which I think is very much relevant and on topic discussions wrt what this forum is about.  If you will continue to push the discussion into what you think is on topic (and what I suspect you think is less controversial), then go ahead and just lock it already.

 

I think its pretty simple, teach people to kill their brushes rather fast and they have to replace them more often.

GW isnt their to teach people some good ways to paint, thats why they use that many colors in their painting guides.

[SickSix]

It is silly not to recognise that GW is in the business of selling hobby supplies. They sell more paint by using pots instead of dropper bottles and will sell more brushes if you learn to destroy them.

[JeffTibbetts]

I just skipped half the posts on here, so forgive me if it's already been mentioned... I've watched Emma on her Twitch stream and she always uses her brushes like that (but her blending techniques are amazing). To be fair, I painted like that for many, many years until I started buying better brushes.