Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I know that You can ply a Horus Heresy or 30k army in 40k, if you do so, can you take allies from 40k armies? Say if I wanted to use Solar Auxilia and Imperial Guard, so I can put Veletarii in Valkyries? Does that work, is there any reference for this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 You can play them against 40k, but you can't take 40k allies and still be battleforged. As far as I can tell though going unbound is just that. Although it should be said that might not even be possible as 30k uses a different allies matrix. Really it's down to your group! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 There is a 7th ed FaQ found on forgeworld (link: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf ) that should give you the info you need. That said, since 30k uses a different allied Matrix and FoC to standard 40k, unless agreed upon beforehand, 40k-30k allied lists are a no-go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Iv tried it to great affect in my local gaming group. Allying Guad and Inquisition and so forth. But in the wider circle it got too confusing and the accusations of power gaming were so annoying I ended up stopping. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Don't mix and match. The whole beauty of 30k rules is the fact they are more toned down, regimented and balanced. Also, 40k Marines are more competitive by a long shot in the 40k meta. Eldar, new Tau, Necrons, Ad-Mech and so on would overpower a 30k Legion quite easily on the tabletop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 I only play friendly games with a small group, so it wouldn't be a big issue. I mostly want to know if it's possible for fluff reasons. I dated my army back to the Great Crusade and had them lost after the Horus Heresy. So it would makes sense for an army that old to have some of the old weapons an equipment in the inventory. As well as having some of the new stuff too. That's really the only reason I want to do it. I'd really only do it within my group of gamers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 do what you want in your own group as long as your group is happy, that's the beauty of the hobby, write your own fluff, justify your own combinations, come up with awesome stories for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4247981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't know... it seems to me like this is likely to produce some really weird, broken combinations. While I could see myself playing my 30k army against, say, a xenos army (perhaps slightly modified) to represent some of the battles that took place before the Heresy, it seems like mixing army lists like that is a recipe for a headache. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'll give it a try and see what happens. Thanks guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I only really get to to play against alien races with my ironhands Orks and nids really hate choom Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Yeah, Volkite seems just plain OP against Xenos Hordes. Heard about some guys who gave Orks a load of rules to represent them in the Heresy and they sounded dope. FNP depending on size: so Boyz 6+, Nobs 5+, Bosses 4+ and your warlord gets 3+ etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Orks are fine as are for the HH, I wouldn't change anything aside from remove any of the named characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 You can take 1-3 Valkyries as a Lord of War slot Fleet Support wing(?) if that helps? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Standing Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Or just take Aquillas, as intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 That Fleet Support wing is a lord of war slot? I don't see it in battlescribe, or in the Conquest book. Am I looking in the right place? Where is the Aquilla? Or did you mean the Arvus? Can the infantry take an Arvus as a DT? I thought they could only take the Dracosan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Ive not got my books to hand but you should be able to take 1-3 flyers not statted elsewhere in 30k as 1 lord of war choice as Fleet support wing or something similar, its probably under the generic LoW rules rather than the list itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4248813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanthier Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Looking at the wording, it says for the age of darkness allies to use the chart in a game where the primary detatchment is a Crusade list and an allied detachment represents a different legion. Wouldn't this mean you could still use the 40k one when the allied detachment isn't a different legion, but something else entirely? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4249189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Holy :cuss people obviously Solar Auxillia allying with guard is Imperial Army allying with Imperial Army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4249271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 Holy people obviously Solar Auxillia allying with guard is Imperial Army allying with Imperial Army. That's what I thought, but that seemed too simple. Ive not got my books to hand but you should be able to take 1-3 flyers not statted elsewhere in 30k as 1 lord of war choice as Fleet support wing or something similar, its probably under the generic LoW rules rather than the list itself. Can someone give me a reference to this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4249450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Holy people obviously Solar Auxillia allying with guard is Imperial Army allying with Imperial Army. Actually, in this instance, I'd look at the imperial guard as the Imperial Militia and take it from there. Still, at the end of the day, it's still a house rule and you're fudging it depending on what you think is right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316959-horus-heresy-in-40k/#findComment-4249462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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