Veterans vs Stormtroopers

[WarriorFish]

More or less, yes. Many look at their guns for their purpose but in Stormies it is really their special rules you should be looking at first - weapons second. The AP3 is still important of course but is is far from their only trick ;)

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

I'm trying to work more armor into my lists, but also to have a good core of infantry. Here's how my list sits as of now:

 

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Commissar Yarrick

Militarum Tempestus Platoon (3 squads w/PG and Vox)

1 in a Chimera, 1 DS, and 1 in a Valkyrie

2 vet squads in chimeras (2 MG, HF, krak, Vox, and carapace each)

2 Armored sentinels w/PC and extra armor

1 Valkyrie (MRP)

 

ABG- AD

1 Company Command Tank (beasthunter shells, and coax stubber)

1 Demolisher

1 Vulture Gunship (6x HKM and TLLC)

 

That's 1845 points all up. Try as I might, I can't seem to get a second demolisher into the list without sacrificing a stormie squad. I'm hoping this is a decent all comers list, as the valk can deal with blobs, the vulture can deal with light to medium vehicles, and the stormies can take on MEQs and cap objectives, while the vets can run around and melta stuff from the fire points and cap objectives. My Command Vanquisher will take on monstrous creatures and heavy armor, while the demolisher takes on infantry and armor. Yarrick will do the senior officer thing while riding around with the mounted stormie squad. One Stormie Squad will deep strike onto an objective, or next to a squad that needs to die, while the valk squad pulls QRF duty and goes wherever they're needed.

 

I use a bit of both in this list, and I suppose I could sub out the DS stormie Squad for a second demolisher if I really need it.

[WarriorFish]

What's the vox for? I'm assuming that's two plasma guns in each Stormie squad? I'd stick with the squad over another tank in this case, two Demolishers are good but extra bodies will be nice here.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Yeah it's 2PG in each squad. The vox is for taking orders, granted Yarrick shares his leadership in a 6" bubble but on the off chance the order fails I can re-roll. It's also force of habit at this point.

[march10k]

 

Stormies in a Valk works fine too, it's just that it's a huge points investment. It wouldn't be a huge problem if I weren't trying to keep to an 1850 point limit.

Throne on Terra, YES!!!  The air cav formation is the bee's knees, but oh so expensive...starts around 950 points for four min-sized squads with maxed special weapons (I go 3x2 melta and 1x4 plasma [command squad-it twinlinks itself, lol]) and four birds...also, four birds is a lot of $$$.  It's a stupidly amazing formation for picking apart the juicy bits of an enemy list, but a ton of points (needs to be more like 1100 points to be really effective, with rocket pod upgrades and stuff), not leaving many for the list that this formation supports...and make no mistake, it's not suitable as a core list, it's merely GODLIKE support.  In the end, it's a lot of fun, but too many points to be competitive at 1850.  At 2500, it would take a little under half of your points and probably win games for you left and right, but, like baneblades, it's just a bit too expensive for the standard points level.

[WarriorFish]

Am I missing who gives the orders? Is one of the Stormie squads a command squad?

[march10k]

Yes...if they're taken from the elites section of the IG list, they have the platoon commander set of orders from C:AM.  If they're taken from C:MT, they have a separate set of orders, one of which confers twinlinking...a stormtrooper command squad deepstriking, rerolling scatter, then firing four twinlinked plasma guns point-blank is DEATH INCARNATE.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Am I missing who gives the orders? Is one of the Stormie squads a command squad?

Yarrick has Senior Officer. He's the one giving orders.

[duz_]

If you're going to take that many scions especially with plasma I suggest taking them as their own detachment and consider

 

1x ccs w/ 4 plasma (and plasma pistol if you're inclined)

1x 5man squad 2/ 2 melta

 

This way you can give the ccs the PE or TL order

 

The AM orders don't do the MTs justice especially with plasma

[WarriorFish]

 

Am I missing who gives the orders? Is one of the Stormie squads a command squad?

Yarrick has Senior Officer. He's the one giving orders.

Yes, but he doesn't have a vox so the other voxes won't work?

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

He'll be stuck in one of the Stormie Squads, that has a vox. Unless I've completely misunderstood how vox works.

[WarriorFish]

Might be down to the wording of the rule, perhaps what counts as "his" squad? I doubt GW thought of it when doing the rules so best to double check to be on the safe side :)

[Nicodemus Doloroso]

Might be down to the wording of the rule, perhaps what counts as "his" squad? I doubt GW thought of it when doing the rules so best to double check to be on the safe side

I don't think there is anything in the Codex which specifies what, exactly, constitutes "the officer's unit" but my the plain wording of the text, I would assume it means any unit the officer belongs to therefore Yarrick can use the vox of the unit he's attached to. But, as usual, cannot use the vox if issuing orders to his own unit.

You are no doubt correct that GW didn't think of this when writing the rules since 99% of the time it will not come up. The only situation it can arise in, is by attaching Yarrick (the only IC officer in the codex) to a squad with a vox.

By the way, Ulrik, that looks like a really cool and fun list. I am definitely going to have to try a variant of that list out myself, although I am thinking I might use 2x DKoK Grenadiers (since those are the models I have) and get me my second demolisher by not bringing the Vulture (a model I don't have and won't be investing in any time soon) ... plus will probably use a Forward Observer Vanquisher for the BS4 Vanq, and use a DKoK command squad in lieu of Yarrick.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Might be down to the wording of the rule, perhaps what counts as "his" squad? I doubt GW thought of it when doing the rules so best to double check to be on the safe side

I don't think there is anything in the Codex which specifies what, exactly, constitutes "the officer's unit" but my the plain wording of the text, I would assume it means any unit the officer belongs to therefore Yarrick can use the vox of the unit he's attached to. But, as usual, cannot use the vox if issuing orders to his own unit.

You are no doubt correct that GW didn't think of this when writing the rules since 99% of the time it will not come up. The only situation it can arise in, is by attaching Yarrick (the only IC officer in the codex) to a squad with a vox.

By the way, Ulrik, that looks like a really cool and fun list. I am definitely going to have to try a variant of that list out myself, although I am thinking I might use 2x DKoK Grenadiers (since those are the models I have) and get me my second demolisher by not bringing the Vulture (a model I don't have and won't be investing in any time soon) ... plus will probably use a Forward Observer Vanquisher for the BS4 Vanq, and use a DKoK command squad in lieu of Yarrick.

Nico, If you have a vendetta, the Imperial support squadron can take those or vultures, so you can simply trade for a vendetta if you so desire. AS for using DKoK grenadiers, that's something I have toyed with, but in the end the desire to use Yarrick won out. Though I could fit a second demolisher if I dropped the vets and went full DKoK. The Company Command tank from the ABG is BS4, with the benefit of having a small blast S8AP2 instant death weapon, to use against MC's. And since I really only get to play at home, with my Girlfriend or other friends, I face lots of multi wound and high toughness models so I need the ability to remove those threats.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

I have learned a valuable lesson. Stormies make terrible dragoons. A combination of poor rolls, and poor planning resulted in a loss. If I'm going to have mechanized Hotshots, it'll have to be from the krieg list.

[duz_]

Better off putting the scions in the montka vendetta/valk formation

You lose TL on dismount but more likely to show up and gives u access to a valk for the CCS

 

If you role for the CCS in the valk lastmore likely for that to at least show up

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Here's a question, how many shots does a lasgun put out with FRFSRF! ? 

[frostbite]

It's 3 at 12" and two at 24"

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

It's 3 at 12" and two at 24"

That's what I thought, but I wanted to confirm.