Kais Klip Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 First lets get it out of the way; I absolutely love, freakin’ love a challenge, which tends to be compounded by a chronic tend for optimism. Okay, fine, I’m just broke and looking to waddle out into the open sea with my Legion of Fifty. To cut to the point: which legion, which legion rite of war, what army composition and which combination is capable of wrecking the most harm on a force that significantly outsizes, outmatches and outguns it? I’m talking everything from xeno monster lists to Legion Isstvaan horde spam. Theoretically, I’m talking facing multiple lords of war, namely knights and light titans over superheavy tanks, or primarchs together with deathstar bodyguards, or even just plain outnumbering hordes, together with just regular armies that are, well, bigger. Now I know the fluff says the Salamanders tend to love these kinds of asymmetrical fights, the kind of fights where you can just hope to do as much damage as you can before fleeing or being overwhelmed. But I’m confident I’m correct in saying that their rules in no way reflect this. Practically, I have a small band of legionnaires that I want to cripple an army of the meanest mother:cussers out there with, I’m talking ball-rushing krakgrenade blobs onto titans or drowning a primarch in twenty combat blades alongside rad-grenades/Talent for Murder/Dark Chanelling and chaplain/librarian re-rolls to hit (my favourite combination and an example of what I’m looking for). So in terms of what I’m looking for, perhaps I’m simply talking about the most bang-for-your-points legion traits, or perhaps combinations of units, traits and librarian/Primarch buffs that allow a force to strike way above its weight range. Do the legions in the top power levels still hold up when facing a meaner disposition, or do the legions in the bottom of the feeding chain, as it were, suddenly shine in a challenge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 If your facing lots of super heavys you can't go wrong with a cerebus or a talon of dual cc contemptors all with grav. Against hordes volkite is evil so maybe a nightlords terror squad list with the heavy slot fill with anti tank Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You'd preferably want a silly number of pie plates or any template weapons combined with high rate fire weapons and backed up by some rather angry looking tanks. To echo random marine cerberus, backed up by a sicaran venator, phosphex medusa squadron, then as much silly as you could fit in elsewhere, like thudd guns, storm eagles. Basically you are throwing templates down everywhere and killing something with all of them. Probably a dirty expensive list by the time you've finished mind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Tyrant terminators, with medusas and a Typhon, that's a lot of fire power Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You could try Salamanders with a silly amount of melta weapons, even with AC you get free MC with the RoW and can take melta-bombs in bulk. It does mean you need to get close, but once you do.... Sally attack bikes with multi-meltas would be potent. MC Multi-meltas and squad-wide melta bombs means even Armoured Ceramite will be no barrier. Drive up into their faces and melt them off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 An infiltrating Alpha Legion list can be extremely difficult to counter. First turn you're lighting up the enemy with everything you've got. Plasma Cannons with a Master of Signals would be disgusting for erasing entire units in a turn. Dynat buffs the army in the enemy's deployment zone. If played right, you can ruin your opponent's plans and put them on the defensive ASAP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 What’s the difference in potency between an infiltrating alpha list, and a raven guard one? The latter even carries a bonus of re-rolling for first turn/siezing the initiative. With either of them, what we are looking for is a great alpha strike capability then are we not? You could try Salamanders with a silly amount of melta weapons, even with AC you get free MC with the RoW and can take melta-bombs in bulk. It does mean you need to get close, but once you do.... Sally attack bikes with multi-meltas would be potent. MC Multi-meltas and squad-wide melta bombs means even Armoured Ceramite will be no barrier. Drive up into their faces and melt them off. Salamanders don’t let their twenty man blob’s take meltabombs, or do they? What units are taking the melta-bombs in bulk then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317421-against-the-tide/#findComment-4258923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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