BrotherAtrox Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Wanted to see if people thought it was worth it to keep track of which 40K Chapters come from which 30K Chapters. Might be the wrong forum? We know so far: IV Chapter "Aurorans" -> Aurora Chapter - Partial to armored formations. XXII Chapter "Nemesis" -> Nemesis Chapter - Disproportionate amount of Destroyer units. ?? Chapter "The Desert Lions" -> ??? IX Chapter -> Genesis Chapter/Novamarines? - Veteran tacticals and (possibly?) void warfare disposition. See picture below. XXIV & XXV "Evocatii" -> ??? 199th Chapter -> Scythes of the Emperor Noticed this on one of the plates in HH5, a Breacher Legionary has the Genesis Chapter badge on his shield. http://i.imgur.com/AbjlCr8.png The badges for Invictarii are essentially the White/Black Consul Chapter badges. This seems like a stretch? Anyone else spotted anything that might provide some clues? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Evocatii is Latin for "veteran", IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherAtrox Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Evocatii is Latin for "veteran", IIRC. An evocatus was a vet who re-signed after his tour was done in the Roman Army, but in HH5 the two Evocatii Chapters are described as units that are a large portion of fresh recruits built around a core of excellent veterans. The Legions in the Heresy didn't use Scouts, correct? You didn't take to the field until you were in full battle plate? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Yeah they didn't use Scouts as we think of them now, but they did use Scout Armor for Recon squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Matt Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 40k wikia has the Eagle Warriors chapter listed as being descended from the XXth Chapter the 'Eagles', specialists in void warfare. No idea on the source or if its at all valid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Orar was a Captain during the Heresy, right? It's a bit of a supposition, but if we knew which Chapter he was in charge of we might have the founding Chapter for the Sons of Orar. Or are they not Second Founding? I can't remember. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Per The Laurel of Defiance, Lucretius Corvo, eventual founder of the Novamarines, was Captain of the 90th Company, Ninth Chapter. The Sons of Orar are of unknown founding. Orar became famous post-Heresy for securing the Eastern Fringe, may or may not have been around during it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherAtrox Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Per The Laurel of Defiance, Lucretius Corvo, eventual founder of the Novamarines, was Captain of the 90th Company, Ninth Chapter. The Sons of Orar are of unknown founding. Orar became famous post-Heresy for securing the Eastern Fringe, may or may not have been around during it. Presents a potential conflict with the Breacher Legionary with the Genesis Chapter emblem? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Presents a potential conflict with the Breacher Legionary with the Genesis Chapter emblem? I suspect the premise may be faulty. The Legion had to be reorganised to create Codex-standard Chapters, Crusade-era formations were more specialist and wouldn't have the right kind of flexibility. There certainly wasn't a one-to-one correspondence between symbols and post-Heresy Chapters (see the Black/White Consuls). And that isn't precisely the Genesis Chapter symbol anyway, it's just a stylised lambda. I don't believe it was simply a case of "you have a name now instead of a number, pick a colour and off you go". Maybe the lambda in the Genesis Chapter's symbol indicates that elements of their founders came from the 9th, with the triangle representing another Legion Chapter that contributed, not that they're just the old 9th painted red. The Novamarines heraldry and starburst is purely Corvo's personal heraldry, derived from the flag of the now-extinct house he was born into on Sulustro, none of it comes from Legion organisation. Who he was is well documented, but this is years before the Codex is fully implemented. Maybe he was promoted or reassigned somewhere between Imperium Secundus and the Scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 About Corvo and his Novamarine connection, the Dramatis Personae for Pharos lists his company name as "Nova." To expand on Lucien's point above, it's relevant to note that Ultramarine Legion Companies were a 1,000 strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Based on Pharos, my previous statement was not correct. The neophyte is described as putting on his scout armor. Too early in the book to know if they used them for battle also, just wanted to update this based on the new material. I know that the Scythes of the Emperor are not a second founding chapter, but man Unremembered Empire sure makes it seem convenient that they have crossed scythes as an informal badge. I hope Pharos will talk more about the 199th company and how/if they connect to the Scythes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317495-heresy-origins-of-second-foundings/#findComment-4260893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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