depthcharge12 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 My favorite quote this far: "We float for Macragge." :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 My favorite quote this far: "We float for Macragge." Honestly, I am now starting to think that /tg/ wrote some of this book. Beencounters and floating for Macragge! Marvelous Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherAtrox Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 ADB has been seen on B&C before, wouldn't be surprised if some authors visit /tg/. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Do you guys think the adoptions of company colours on the shoulder pads is prevalent in the Ultramarines. The scouts from Aegida had the black and yellow on their pads and the Nova Company veterans had the quartered Novamarine colours on theirs. I'm thinking of doing the Ulixis Company with quartered red and tan shoulder pads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 ADB has been seen on B&C before, wouldn't be surprised if some authors visit /tg/. ADB is actually a regular on here :P He just lurks most of the time. Do you guys think the adoptions of company colours on the shoulder pads is prevalent in the Ultramarines. The scouts from Aegida had the black and yellow on their pads and the Nova Company veterans had the quartered Novamarine colours on theirs. I'm thinking of doing the Ulixis Company with quartered red and tan shoulder pads. Company Shoulder Heraldry is the easiest route, I've found, since 30k Marines didnt really give a damn what you put on your shoulders so long as you paid homage to the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Do you guys think the adoptions of company colours on the shoulder pads is prevalent in the Ultramarines. The scouts from Aegida had the black and yellow on their pads and the Nova Company veterans had the quartered Novamarine colours on theirs. I'm thinking of doing the Ulixis Company with quartered red and tan shoulder pads. Company Shoulder Heraldry is the easiest route, I've found, since 30k Marines didnt really give a damn what you put on your shoulders so long as you paid homage to the Legion. Well, that is apart from the Emperor's Children, who did not care unless it was not pretty and covered in enough Gold and finery to put MR.T to shame! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Having just finished Pharos, there are a few interesting points before i'd like to mention before an in depth review. Again spoilers follow: -The confrontation between Curze and Sanguinius has some interesting dialogue. Both as primarchs with premonitions seem to have a sense of kinship between them. The two Primarchs don't fight. Curze is unsure he could defeat Sanguinius, and Sanguinius lets Curze live as he belives anyone can be redeemed. Also, Curze has a great nickname for Guilliman. "The Avenging Beancounter." That's really odd...on another site, a poster provided this contradictory spoiler Sanguinius and Conrad Curze have an encounter and a duel. They are quite evenly matched. The dialogue and the perspective of the opposing primarchs is the some of the best in the book. And poor Azkaellon is used as a rag-doll by Curze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 What actually happens Curze and Sanguinius fight extremely briefly. Both have visions of what could happen, and are perfectly matched due to their precognition. Sanguinius is not in full warplate, either could have triumphed had it been a serious fight. The duel itself is pretty inconsequential, and only goes on until Sanguinius realises that Konrad is really there to talk, not murder him. Both stop fighting because they're so evenly matched. Later, after talking for a while, Curze gives Sanguinius the chance to kill him, but Sanguinius stops the blow in mid air out of pity. Curze then blows up a whole lot of Sanguinary Guard, throws Azkaellon (if that's how you spell his name) off a cliff and disappears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 So Sanguinius is a fool then... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Having just finished Pharos, there are a few interesting points before i'd like to mention before an in depth review. Again spoilers follow: -The confrontation between Curze and Sanguinius has some interesting dialogue. Both as primarchs with premonitions seem to have a sense of kinship between them. The two Primarchs don't fight. Curze is unsure he could defeat Sanguinius, and Sanguinius lets Curze live as he belives anyone can be redeemed. Also, Curze has a great nickname for Guilliman. "The Avenging Beancounter." That's really odd...on another site, a poster provided this contradictory spoiler Sanguinius and Conrad Curze have an encounter and a duel. They are quite evenly matched. The dialogue and the perspective of the opposing primarchs is the some of the best in the book. And poor Azkaellon is used as a rag-doll by Curze. I'm sorry, I just don't see Curze and Sanguinius being evenly matched. It's been stated numerous times that Sanguinius is almost the paragon of Primarch ability... in fact, I'm pretty sure it's been said the only ones who even stand a chance against him are Horus and Angron. I'm sure any Primarch can best another given the right conditions, but it doesn't sound like they were in Curze's element. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Well Curze is unhinged so he probably believes he can win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It wouldn't have been a fair fight - like I said, Sanguinius has a sword but only a breastplate (if I remember correctly), Curze is arrayed in his full panoply of war with his claws etc. Both have their precognitive powers so are relatively evenly matched on the psychic front. But yeah, the duel in Pharos isn't an accurate representation of both at the peak of their powers/preparation. That being said, Sanguinius is definitely wary of Curze. I think it would be pretty close, and wouldn't underestimate Curze. He is more than capable. Sanguinius’ wings twitched. He doubted he would survive this encounter; Curze had taxed both the Lion and Guilliman when they had fought him together. But then, as he thought on it, flashes of the future burst in his mind, presenting him with a succession of strikes and counter-strikes. Curze leaping from the throne, a flurry of blades. Sanguinius gutted. Sanguinius leaping into the air, Curze struck down. Curze waiting until Sanguinius was close, then striking his head from his shoulders. Sanguinius anticipating this, and burying his sword in Curze’s sternum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I don't see Sanguinius and Curze fighting evenly being an impossibility. Curze up to his point is the only Primarch to contend with two of his brothers and give more than he's got. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Does Curze actually have the highest primarch duel tally? He's fought the Lion, Guilliman, Vulkan, Corax at Isstvan with Lorgar, and now Sanguinius :P He's only missing a few to complete his set Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 One more Primarch and he gets a free sub. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Does Curze actually have the highest primarch duel tally? He's fought the Lion, Guilliman, Vulkan, Corax at Isstvan with Lorgar, and now Sanguinius He's only missing a few to complete his set You forgot Dorn. It also makes him the least deadly serial killer of all times. A perfect portrayal of the Night Lords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Waiting for Fulgrim and Jaghatai to parry with Curze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Geez at this point why not just throw Angron or Horus into the mix? Or just get it over with and have him duel with the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I am really hoping that they follow up on the Russ plot from Vengeful Spirit and have a Russ v Horus duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZebraM Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 just have a book where the chaos gods pick all the primarchs up and put them in an arena and have them all fight gladiator style Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I am really hoping that they follow up on the Russ plot from Vengeful Spirit and have a Russ v Horus duel. But Russ is supposed to survive the Heresy, so this can't happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I am really hoping that they follow up on the Russ plot from Vengeful Spirit and have a Russ v Horus duel. I for one really hope they do not. Primarch battles should be kept away from the Horus Heresy now, they just seem to be chucked in to say "OH LOOK, TWO PRIMARCHS FIGGGTINNGGGG, I WONDER WHO WILL WIN?" We all know how it ends. Now if it was an encounter like Curze and Sanguinius above , where it seems to be more of a non duel, or even somewhat like Mortarion and Jaghati to a lesser extent, I don't mind. But fighting Primarchs fighting because fight, really drives me away from books and makes me skip pages. That and, a Russ vs Horus duel would further show Russ as the Incompetent lapdog that can't really do anything right or anything he says he will do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I am really hoping that they follow up on the Russ plot from Vengeful Spirit and have a Russ v Horus duel. But Russ is supposed to survive the Heresy, so this can't happen. Russ' reaction to what Horus had become (at this point, a god) would be worth the price of admission That and, a Russ vs Horus duel would further show Russ as the Incompetent lapdog that can't really do anything right or anything he says he will do. That depends on the author in question. I feel like there is a lot of potential. Each to their own; gratuitous Primarch battles can be entertaining, just look at Lorgar/Guilliman/Angron in Betrayer - one of the best written duels in the entire series, with arguably the best monologue to boot. When I say Primarch duel, it doesn't mean I want them to stand there hitting each other just to say who can win. That isn't the point. The conversations between two Primarchs in the heat of battle can often shed better light on their personalities and give previously unseen insights into their character than any other parts of your typical 30k novel. The fact that Russ acknowledges that he isn't even sure if he can beat Horus makes for a fascinating confrontation, especially with the changes Horus has undergone post-Molech. Anyway this is heading off topic. Back to Pharos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'm waiting for when the Dark Angels and the Space Wolves meet up to fight together at the far side of the galaxy learning about the Horus and his betrayal...oh wait. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I honestly don't know how to feel about Sanguinius sparing him... On one hand, it makes him seem merciful. On the other hand it takes away from his pissed off avenging angel feeling that he had regarding people fighting the Emperor AND BETRAYING THEIR BROTHERS! By this point he was supposed to be full of RAGE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317535-pharos-spoilders-inside/page/3/#findComment-4262412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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