Quixus Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Before and during the Horus Heresy the XV Legion had red armour but the 40K Thousand Sons are blue. Did this change happen with the Rubric or was that colour used earlier as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 After the Rubric Ahriman gets exiled from the planet of sorcerers and end up leading a Thousand Sons force and changes their armour colour to the blue and gold. The Thousand Sons that stay on the planet of sorcerers and are loyal to Magnus are still in the red armour I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4261945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Before and during the Horus Heresy the XV Legion had red armour but the 40K Thousand Sons are blue. Did this change happen with the Rubric or was that colour used earlier as well?It isn't really specified because we also have Khayon who is basicly straight from the Rubric and he's wearing blue armor and he never joins up with either Amon or Ahriman until well after he started wearing black. After the Rubric Ahriman gets exiled from the planet of sorcerers and end up leading a Thousand Sons force and changes their armour colour to the blue and gold. The Thousand Sons that stay on the planet of sorcerers and are loyal to Magnus are still in the red armour I believe.Unfortunately it isn't that clear cut either. The only ones we see that are specifically noted to be wearing red are Amon and those who were following him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4261947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Unfortunately it isn't that clear cut either. The only ones we see that are specifically noted to be wearing red are Amon and those who were following him. Isn't pretty much everyone on the cover of A thousand Sons wearing red? Yup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4261965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Unfortunately it isn't that clear cut either. The only ones we see that are specifically noted to be wearing red are Amon and those who were following him. Isn't pretty much everyone on the cover of A thousand Sons wearing red? Yup.Yeah, back in 30K at the Burning Prospero, before the Ahriman series, which is in the Legion Wars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4261970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salamander Bob Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Before and during the Horus Heresy the XV Legion had red armour but the 40K Thousand Sons are blue. Did this change happen with the Rubric or was that colour used earlier as well? It was blue before the rubric: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4f/Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121005170412 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 The image is too small to make anything out unfortunately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Collected visions artwork book, it shows Ahriman wearing blue armour on board the Vengeful Spirit. In the picture is Fulgrim, Maloghurst the Red Angel, Horus and a number of other traitors... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 According to BL novel just after Prospero the are all blue, mutated and possessed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salamander Bob Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Oh, sorry. The post was from my phone and i had problems with the link. Second try: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4f/Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121005170412 Right from Ahriman there is a Marine in Blue and Red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 According to BL novel just after Prospero the are all blue, mutated and possessed. What novel is that? Also Bob, that picture has more or less been retconned. Ahriman didn't het his horny helm until waaaaay after the heresy, and that's an Un-daemonic Fulgrim on the right... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Still the same link or at least the same tiny picture. just remove everything after the .jpg and it should work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Collected visions artwork book, it shows Ahriman wearing blue armour on board the Vengeful Spirit. In the picture is Fulgrim, Maloghurst the Red Angel, Horus and a number of other traitors... and it's confirmed that this picture is wrong and no longer part of the official lore/canon, it's actually just a dream/vision of Maloghurst. It also has some other stuff that is wrong, f.e. non-Daemon Fulgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Pretty much the only certainty we have is that blue popped up in the Legion sometime after The Razing of Prospero until such a time that it had spread across the entirety of the Legion except for individuals such as Khayon and Ignis who had taken up different colors to reflect changed allegiance or personal preference. No clear distinction has been made as to whether or not it belongs to just one faction or the entire Legion as only Amon and his Brotherhood of Dust have been mentioned as wearing the red following the Heresy, and it is unclear if the Sons who remained with Magnus wore a different color as their armor color is specifically unmentioned. As a result, all we can say is that some Sons started wearing blue following the Razing and that all were wearing it(excusing those who belonged to spin-off or unaffiliated warbands) by the 41st Millennium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4262798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Though, there is not a single picture of a blue coloured heresy-era Thousand Son out there. At least not one I can find. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Yeah, but with no definitive "Blue only started after this date" it leaves a huge gap in which it might have started to appear, similar to how the Emperor's Children are still mostly purple, but some elements have begun wearing the pink-and-black riot colors they wear in 40K. At the very least we can say it popped up in the Legion Wars since Khayon was wearing it at the time of the Rubric and the color itself was identifiable as belonging to the XV Legion, which would predate the Ahriman series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caustic63 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 If you read the Ahriman novel series it will become much clearer where and why the change occurred. If I recall correctly, the change was instituted by Ahriman after he overcomes his depression, accepts his ability to control the Rubricae, and defeats Amon. It is a re-branding that is a recognition of the new realities facing the legion. I think its also rooted in the fact that one of the Thousand Sons sorcerers comes looking for him, is defeated, and his Rubricae guards stand down. Ahriman isn't sure what to do with them, so he allows them to burn due to exposure to the heat of space(?). Later, he discovers them to be perfectly fine apart from having no colour - so it is assumed he orders them repainted at some point off screen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 If you read the Ahriman novel series it will become much clearer where and why the change occurred. If I recall correctly, the change was instituted by Ahriman after he overcomes his depression, accepts his ability to control the Rubricae, and defeats Amon. It is a re-branding that is a recognition of the new realities facing the legion. I think its also rooted in the fact that one of the Thousand Sons sorcerers comes looking for him, is defeated, and his Rubricae guards stand down. Ahriman isn't sure what to do with them, so he allows them to burn due to exposure to the heat of space(?). Later, he discovers them to be perfectly fine apart from having no colour - so it is assumed he orders them repainted at some point off screen.Again, Talon of Horus says this is not when the blue appeared because Khayon had been wearing the color since at least the Rubric, if not earlier. And he was not a part of Amon's Brotherhood of Dust. And as a result, the blue predates Ahriman's resurgence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Amon's warband wore red though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Amon's warband wore red though.Yes, but all of those Sons that joined Ahriman switched to blue, which is supposed to be the basis of the "Ahriman Started It" theory. Problem is, by Khayon never joing the Brotherhood and wearing blue since the Rubric, it says the blue had to be in use before Ahriman took over Amon's warband. Thus the theory is disproven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 In the first Ahriman book, I thought that was when the first blue and gold appeared. Amon and his rubrics finally confront Ahriman and he ends up winning and the big final scene is Ahriman victorious and the red armour on all the rubrics turning blue and gold. In the last Ahriman book it mentions how all the Sons on the Planet of Sorcerers are in red still, because they are still loyal to Magnus. I will look again in Talon of Horus and see if it mentions what colour armour Khayon is sporting, since he was against the rubric it would make sense that he is still in red. We might have to just wait until the Prospero book to get the full story. 2017 can't get here soon enough edit: Kol Saresk just answered the Khayon question. Maybe when he left the Planet of the Sorcerers he dropped the red armour since he went on his own path and took on the blue ? Lot of holes here lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 The most recent canon is that the colour changed at the Rubric, according to Laurie Goulding - this does leave some older sources inaccurate however. Re: Amon's warband, John French has stated on his facebook that Amon and co reverted to red to reflect their goals, they would have been blue before then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Though, there is not a single picture of a blue coloured heresy-era Thousand Son out there. At least not one I can find.There is though, I'll scan it from collected visions. They are called the riders of tzeentch I believe, blue armored Sons riding the tzeench hover discs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Tzeentch approves at this conversation, discuss until insanity takes over, dance, dance mwuhahahahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317564-blue-thousand-sons/#findComment-4263748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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