DuskRaider Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hey folks, So while I've began a small side project of Word Bearers for ZM / the hell of it, I've been thinking since Tempest dropped and released those beautiful Militia rules that I'd really like to start an Imperial Army attached to my Third Grand Company Death Guard. I absolutely love the Death Korps of Krieg models, namely the Grenadier unit. I've been thinking of using the "Survivors of the Dark Age" Provenance to take Grenadiers as Troops. They're heavily armoured (for humans), which means they'd be geared for accompanying the dread XIVth into a myriad of their preferred battlefields (trench, footslogging, ZM). I've been struggling with the idea if Barbarus / the Legion would equip their homeworld Army so well or if they'd throw their populace into the grinder. On top of that, I'm struggling with what secondary Provenance to use with the army. My first choice was Alchem-jackers to show the stubborn determination of even the mortal Barbarusan (Barbarians? Barbar... I don't know). I'd skip out on the Frenzon, as it seems more like a trait an Army attached to the XIIth would have. I'd love to hear some opinions, ideas, etc. with this, as I'm kind of determined to do this. Thanks, DR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Awesome stuff! I think the Barbaran Militia would be a grim load of people like Mortarion, essentially his Death Guard pre Astartes. Can't remember all the rules but armoured and chem breathers would be fluffy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I was under the impression the populace of Barbarus was simply a giant vat of breeding to bring in new blood to the Legion due to the extreme death rates of the legionaries rather than being diverted into Imperial Army, mind you, there is not a lot of information about Barbarus post Emperor. This is with ofc the exception of those they forward to serfs and ship bound humanity. Barbaran's would probably fit the name, They were quite fond of the populace from what I gather from Grulgor and some of the obscure reference we get from the homeworld, they were more or less a mirror to the Iron Hands without the tectonic planet and volcanoes and with the addition of gas that will make you bleed your eyes through your backside. So if they do/did have an army, they would be similar to the original Death Guard mortarion ran with on the homeworld rather than just fodder like the Iron Warriors would use. ( http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Guard_%28Barbarus%29 ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I've been toying with an auxilia force for the Death Guard, I'll leave my rambling thoughts on what I've dreamed up so far: So, the Solar Auxilia are the only force that makes sense at all fighting alongside the Death Guard. They're entirely in sealed environment suits so they could reasonably be expected to follow the XIVth Legion into their usual combat zones and not just... die. Now, even if they were Barbaran stock, they're not super-human but they are Barbaran so they probably semi-worship Mortarion as the savior of their world. But he doesn't treat them that well, maybe a bit coldly and sometimes even callously in rear-line securing so the Death Guard can do the real work. The Legionaries certainly don't mix in with the regular humans, so Fellow Warriors rating remains legit. In my head I've been calling the formation the Barbaran Highlanders, 'cause the Cthonian Headhunters have an awesome name too but mostly it's for their role on Barbarus. In my head, they serve on the planet itself in the mountains, as far up as they can go in the toxic climbs of their homeworld, keeping watch lest any surviving spawn of the terrible creatures Mortarion and his original Death Guard sought to wipe out show their ugly faces. There could be at least some of the grim, zombie-like monstrosities still out roaming with no control that occasionally stumble down the mountains out of the toxic clouds and make life a lot less fun than it already was, right? As for how many there are, well, Barbarus is a horrible barren place but there are enough people that they're still generating a huge amount of Legionaries recruits to fill in for the Death Guard's heavy attrition rates so for a good part of the remaining population to train up in a Solar Auxilia-like military formation makes sense too. The fate of the Highlanders when the Siege of Terra comes around is pretty macabre. Lots of formations survive pretty far and end up accompanying the XIVth into the warp. Yep, they all die, and when the Death Guard arrive, changed, they deploy the Highlanders as a wall of reanimated corpses in carapace armour to soak up gunfire from the walls of the Imperial Palace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I was under the impression the populace of Barbarus was simply a giant vat of breeding to bring in new blood to the Legion due to the extreme death rates of the legionaries rather than being diverted into Imperial Army, mind you, there is not a lot of information about Barbarus post Emperor. This is with ofc the exception of those they forward to serfs and bound humanity. Barbaran's would probably fit the name, They were quite fond of the populace from what I gather from Grulgor and some of the obscure reference we get from the homeworld, they were more or less a mirror to the Iron Hands without the tectonic planet and volcanoes and with the addition of gas that will make you bleed your eyes through your backside. So if they do/did have an army, they would be similar to the original Death Guard mortarion ran with on the homeworld rather than just fodder like the Iron Warriors would use. ( http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Guard_%28Barbarus%29 ) I must agree with Cthonia about Barbarus being a Legion manufactory (get it? Because in the universe they call factories that! Nothing? Not even a polite laugh? Catch-22 kind of crowd out there). From what I understand, they'd try out most males for the Legionary Process. That and Mortarion more-or-less liked his people. I doubt we'd see them go to serve as cannon fodder. That being said, what about some other planet? Maybe the Third Great Company liberated a world and they decide to use them for Militia. That could be a really good way to write some more fluff, too. It's what I'm going to do when I can finally come close to starting up a Militia. So many models... That's all I can think of for now. I will have more later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Yeah, I've thought of the whole "this population is for Legion recruiting only" thing, but I'd think after being accepted into the Imperium, their population would see a significant boost. I'm still not too sure, but I'm really keen on keeping them native Barbarans (I'll go with it Charlo / Cthonia lol), as I'd love to write up how the common man would feel conducting war alongside the demigods they look up to so much. Perhaps it would change their outlook on the Legion, especially after rebelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Yeah, I've thought of the whole "this population is for Legion recruiting only" thing, but I'd think after being accepted into the Imperium, their population would see a significant boost. I'm still not too sure, but I'm really keen on keeping them native Barbarans (I'll go with it Charlo / Cthonia lol), as I'd love to write up how the common man would feel conducting war alongside the demigods they look up to so much. Perhaps it would change their outlook on the Legion, especially after rebelling. Alternatively, you could have them recruited from the same cluster of planets, after all, unless i am mistaken, there are no actual sources for any other planets near Barbaras so you could possibly say they come from.. Barbarus #2.. which is somewhat similar to Barbarus Vanilla. That way you could use them in any role you wished, if you liked the Idea of the Homeworld as Recruitment only! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yeah, I've thought of the whole "this population is for Legion recruiting only" thing, but I'd think after being accepted into the Imperium, their population would see a significant boost. I'm still not too sure, but I'm really keen on keeping them native Barbarans (I'll go with it Charlo / Cthonia lol), as I'd love to write up how the common man would feel conducting war alongside the demigods they look up to so much. Perhaps it would change their outlook on the Legion, especially after rebelling. I think you're spot on with the population boost. Look at what happened to Caliban after integration with the Imperium, loads of megacities. Barbarus needn't have been like that but it's the right track. I have to disagree with the idea that Barabarus was earmarked solely for legion recruitment. True, Mortarion showed a preference for recruiting from it but if Medusa and Cthonia could provide imperial army troops (of a quality suitable for Solar Auxilia organisation no less) alongside their legion troops, I see no reason why Barbarus couldn't raise some alongside whatever serfs accompanied the XIVth. That said, it seems most legions recruitment rights to a good few other worlds, so having a similar world provide troops could work as well. Recruitment to the legions had a pretty high drop-out rate and early on in the process it might not always have resulted in death for the candidate. Perhaps a proportion of the Barbaran recruits (or officers) could be failed aspirants? It would make them suitably bitter but then we know that the people of Barbarus all but worshiped Mortarion as a saviour so I can see a desire to 'play their part'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yeah, I've thought of the whole "this population is for Legion recruiting only" thing, but I'd think after being accepted into the Imperium, their population would see a significant boost. I'm still not too sure, but I'm really keen on keeping them native Barbarans (I'll go with it Charlo / Cthonia lol), as I'd love to write up how the common man would feel conducting war alongside the demigods they look up to so much. Perhaps it would change their outlook on the Legion, especially after rebelling. I think you're spot on with the population boost. Look at what happened to Caliban after integration with the Imperium, loads of megacities. Barbarus needn't have been like that but it's the right track. I have to disagree with the idea that Barabarus was earmarked solely for legion recruitment. True, Mortarion showed a preference for recruiting from it but if Medusa and Cthonia could provide imperial army troops (of a quality suitable for Solar Auxilia organisation no less) alongside their legion troops, I see no reason why Barbarus couldn't raise some alongside whatever serfs accompanied the XIVth. That said, it seems most legions recruitment rights to a good few other worlds, so having a similar world provide troops could work as well. Recruitment to the legions had a pretty high drop-out rate and early on in the process it might not always have resulted in death for the candidate. Perhaps a proportion of the Barbaran recruits (or officers) could be failed aspirants? It would make them suitably bitter but then we know that the people of Barbarus all but worshiped Mortarion as a saviour so I can see a desire to 'play their part'. With Medusa, As far as I am aware, Nocturn, Medusa and Barbarus had overall low population due to the state of the planets, hence why I believed that it would be possible that it was only a recruitment world for the Legion rather than shipping off Regiments of Large populations since it would not be viable where as the other Legions had that option bar a few. as for failed aspirants, the vast vast majority of aspirants died in the process of joining the Death Guard Legion. There were those that survived, such as kaleb? I think the fellows name was in Flight of the Eisenstein, who upon a confrontation with Grulgor, light is shed on the recruitment. I believe it would be out of the question aspirants would be in the army if there was one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yeah, failed aspirants were put to the sword it seems, at least according to Grulgor. I'd be looking more to the common man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Upon looking over a lot of books and references on the internet over the past few hours, It seems that there are no references at all to Imperial Army working under the Death Guard at all in any battle and almost nothing on the native population of Barbarus. The thing that keeps coming up however is the use of the Death Guard in the most in the hardest and most inhospitable zones, which would lead me to believe that Human and Imperial Army forces could not fight in them and so the XIV were sent in. This would mean that in most of the conflicts, having Imperial Army backup on the ground would be almost pointless. However, here is something that might interest you, You could have them as ship bound army directly under the XIV dedicated to ship guard and small battles on kinder planets. That would mean that they could be Barbaran by ancestry/birth, and it will be relatively more fluffy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I could see the Imperial Army / Militia / whomever fighting alongside the XIV to a point. It's just like Barbarus: they (humans) could only go so far and then the boys in ceramite and jade show up. I mean, they're already there but why waste Legionary lives when you don't have to? Be like the Soviets in WWII and throw cannon fodder at the enemy. Of course, then you're left with hard-bitten veterans that know no mercy... Anyway, I guess I'll get to my point. So what if it's in a book? Are we to let our background for our respective forces be regulated by some chap who isn't us? What if the glorious Third Great Company utilized Solar Auxilia-like troops taken from Barbarus or some other planet? That would be some background to read, for sure! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Don't get me wrong, I am terrible at wording things most of the time. There would be occasions where Imperial Army would fight with the Death Guard. Such as One-Five-Four-Four? unless I am mistaken. as for wasting of Legionaries, I am not sure they would look at it as a waste when it came down to it, especially in a Legion like the XIV and would rather take on the burden without heed of casualties, but that is just what I think anyway. Anyway, I guess I'll get to my point. So what if it's in a book? Are we to let our background for our respective forces be regulated by some chap who isn't us? What if the glorious Third Great Company utilized Solar Auxilia-like troops taken from Barbarus or some other planet? That would be some background to read, for sure! It was not necessarily about saying they should not have them because they are not in the book, or it should be this because it is in the book , if you are referring to my post above, It was more to do with finding any reference at all to any forces that might have fought under the Death Guard. One can do whatever he wishes when it comes down to the fluff, there are no holes barred, Hell, you could have an amazing amount of battalions being churned out to a specific army. I just look at it from a point where the books chucked out by Black Library are the fluff for me as well as what Games Workshop has produced, and then fill in the blanks and work around it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Cthonia, are we not battle brothers? I wasn't calling you out- I was venting my frustration at the thought of the books as the end all, be all of fluffdom . It was merely a reminder that I like putting out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Cthonia, are we not battle brothers? I wasn't calling you out- I was venting my frustration at the thought of the books as the end all, be all of fluffdom . It was merely a reminder that I like putting out there. Its alright Fella, I did not think you were calling me out or having a pop, I thought you were referencing my post above and commenting on it! Its like 1:40, and I should have been in bed about 5 hours ago, so my reading is somewhat.. flawed at the moment! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 I look at Krieg itself, these mortal men who fought in some of the worst environments and soldiered on regardless of losses. That to me has Death Guard written all over it, and I can see their creed trickling down to Auxilia under their command. I would like to think they would have the best equipment available to Militia (barring Solar Auxilia, although they're also an option), as the Death Guard also operated under this, as well as having proficiency in multiple forms of combat and arms. The XIVth definitely pulled stock from other planets, as everyone's second favorite Death Guard Loyalist Crysos Morturg (although I don't think they say which planet he hails from). The rub being, XIVth Legionnaires from Barbarus seem to have a very open disdain for those not of their home planet. I can see this bleeding over to their Militia allies, as they would probably have no qualms sending a bunch of bullet magnets from Planet X into the fray first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yeah, I've thought of the whole "this population is for Legion recruiting only" thing, but I'd think after being accepted into the Imperium, their population would see a significant boost. I'm still not too sure, but I'm really keen on keeping them native Barbarans (I'll go with it Charlo / Cthonia lol), as I'd love to write up how the common man would feel conducting war alongside the demigods they look up to so much. Perhaps it would change their outlook on the Legion, especially after rebelling. I think you're spot on with the population boost. Look at what happened to Caliban after integration with the Imperium, loads of megacities. Barbarus needn't have been like that but it's the right track. I have to disagree with the idea that Barabarus was earmarked solely for legion recruitment. True, Mortarion showed a preference for recruiting from it but if Medusa and Cthonia could provide imperial army troops (of a quality suitable for Solar Auxilia organisation no less) alongside their legion troops, I see no reason why Barbarus couldn't raise some alongside whatever serfs accompanied the XIVth. That said, it seems most legions recruitment rights to a good few other worlds, so having a similar world provide troops could work as well. Recruitment to the legions had a pretty high drop-out rate and early on in the process it might not always have resulted in death for the candidate. Perhaps a proportion of the Barbaran recruits (or officers) could be failed aspirants? It would make them suitably bitter but then we know that the people of Barbarus all but worshiped Mortarion as a saviour so I can see a desire to 'play their part'. With Medusa, As far as I am aware, Nocturn, Medusa and Barbarus had overall low population due to the state of the planets, hence why I believed that it would be possible that it was only a recruitment world for the Legion rather than shipping off Regiments of Large populations since it would not be viable where as the other Legions had that option bar a few. as for failed aspirants, the vast vast majority of aspirants died in the process of joining the Death Guard Legion. There were those that survived, such as kaleb? I think the fellows name was in Flight of the Eisenstein, who upon a confrontation with Grulgor, light is shed on the recruitment. I believe it would be out of the question aspirants would be in the army if there was one. Ah, didn't recall the background about failed aspirants. Fair enough, that's out. I have to disagree with the population assessment though. Medusa may have had a low population but we know they did have imperial auxilia raised despite it. Caliban was also a horrific death world and following compliance, it had great development and contributed imperial army regiments (Calibanite Jaegers) to the crusade. We don't know for sure that Barbarus had any similar urbanisation but then we don't know what happened to it after Mortarion joined the crusade. Maybe it was kept deliberately primitive like Fenris, maybe it grew like Caliban, maybe somewhere in between. This is exactly the kind of blank space that gives enough room for individual army's fluff, just as you say. I think it's also important to remember that Barbarus needn't have raised troops by the millions like Cthonia or Ultramar, just enough to be represented in DuskRaider's army. That said, I agree that one of the core themes of the Death Guard is how they put themselves in the toughest situations so the normal troops don't have to. More than most, they epitomise astartes sacrificing their humanity for the sake of humanity's liberation; it's one of Mortarion's most admirable traits. So I agree, if you have Death Guard fighting the classic Death Guard battle, you probably wouldn't have mortals trudging in their wake unless they absolutely have to. Some times needs must and if anyone is going to make that sacrifice it's going to be the native Barbarans. They have the natural resistance, they have the home world experience and even if they die at five times the rate of their XIVth legion masters, that's probably still half the rate of trained veterans from somewhere else. The idea of troops from other worlds picking up Death Guard style culture by osmosis is a great one and has precedent (the Iron Hands inducted non-Medusan army regiments as part of the 'Chainveil') but I think you can make a Barbaran regiment work if you want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I look at Krieg itself, these mortal men who fought in some of the worst environments and soldiered on regardless of losses. That to me has Death Guard written all over it, and I can see their creed trickling down to Auxilia under their command. I would like to think they would have the best equipment available to Militia (barring Solar Auxilia, although they're also an option), as the Death Guard also operated under this, as well as having proficiency in multiple forms of combat and arms. The XIVth definitely pulled stock from other planets, as everyone's second favorite Death Guard Loyalist Crysos Morturg (although I don't think they say which planet he hails from). The rub being, XIVth Legionnaires from Barbarus seem to have a very open disdain for those not of their home planet. I can see this bleeding over to their Militia allies, as they would probably have no qualms sending a bunch of bullet magnets from Planet X into the fray first. Two points on Crysos, one of which actually relates to the Army looking at it now, he was an emergency recruit from a source not of Terra and not of Barbarus. That definitely relates to the second point and what you have already said, They pulled stocks from other sources, whether it was crisis recruitment or otherwise, whereas originally I was under the impression it was only those planets that were the source of the bulk of the Legion. in addition it seems that Crysos was brought in with the induction of recruits from the 18th Expeditionary Fleet where he was sourced from, however it does not say if they are bound to the Death Guard, I can't find any source of any expeditions with the Death Guard at all. I can totally see exactly what you mean about the Death Korps and I absolutely love the idea of humanity serving under them taking on the manners and natures of their betters. And I like the idea of Death Guard having high disdain for them, especially considering they effectively operated as a whole legion when moving from battlefield to battlefield, that would definitely breed a level of -- "You can't match us, we are far superior in every way, just look at us perform, this is what we expect from you, and this is what you will do!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ah, didn't recall the background about failed aspirants. Fair enough, that's out. I have to disagree with the population assessment though. Medusa may have had a low population but we know they did have imperial auxilia raised despite it. Caliban was also a horrific death world and following compliance, it had great development and contributed imperial army regiments (Calibanite Jaegers) to the crusade. We don't know for sure that Barbarus had any similar urbanisation but then we don't know what happened to it after Mortarion joined the crusade. Maybe it was kept deliberately primitive like Fenris, maybe it grew like Caliban, maybe somewhere in between. This is exactly the kind of blank space that gives enough room for individual army's fluff, just as you say. I think it's also important to remember that Barbarus needn't have raised troops by the millions like Cthonia or Ultramar, just enough to be represented in DuskRaider's army. That said, I agree that one of the core themes of the Death Guard is how they put themselves in the toughest situations so the normal troops don't have to. More than most, they epitomise astartes sacrificing their humanity for the sake of humanity's liberation; it's one of Mortarion's most admirable traits. So I agree, if you have Death Guard fighting the classic Death Guard battle, you probably wouldn't have mortals trudging in their wake unless they absolutely have to. Some times needs must and if anyone is going to make that sacrifice it's going to be the native Barbarans. They have the natural resistance, they have the home world experience and even if they die at five times the rate of their XIVth legion masters, that's probably still half the rate of trained veterans from somewhere else. The idea of troops from other worlds picking up Death Guard style culture by osmosis is a great one and has precedent (the Iron Hands inducted non-Medusan army regiments as part of the 'Chainveil') but I think you can make a Barbaran regiment work if you want to. Before I continue, I must explain that I look at things from a logical point to me, so what follows under this will be what I think would be the case for Barbarus From what we gather from the books and fluff attributed, More importantly with the Ascension of Mortarion and the departure of Calas from the Plague Planet, Mortarion had an extremely strong bond with Barbarus which could have possibly meant it was kept the way it was since he creates a perfect image of the planet. An example for industrialization and urbanization is Grulgor (Man he is such a great character). He mentions about the strife between himself and Garro, that he had to fight for his life since birth, fighting for the cleanest air and fighting for drinkable water, well along those lines anyway. Now, he could be a rather old Astartes and so could have been one of the first inductees before any change in the planet, but providing that would not be the case, that would indicate a lack of improvement to the surface or a lack of hospitable land, which would make urbanization almost impossible in the higher terrain, which Barbarus was mostly, having the humans in the lower reaches of the terrain. From my view, the only way to Industrialize and urbanize in a large way would be to remove or tackle the toxins, which I don't honestly think Mortarion would like. but as you said, quite spot on, 'This is exactly the kind of blank space that gives enough room for individual army's fluff' Edit: Also you have now got me started on writing fluff for a human segment for my Death Guard DuskRaider, I hope you are happy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Actual Expeditionary Fleets for the XIVth would most likely be few and far between. The modus operandi of the Legion in general was purgation missions, and they were usually hand selected to go into zones that other Legions couldn't and do things other Legions wouldn't. Not saying the Legion didn't reclaim planets, one of the stories in Betrayal seems to center around just that. But it wouldn't fall under standard Legionary actions.That being said, I can see mortals being used either to assist with planetary reclamation or helping evacuate the populace whilst also lending their support in hot zones. I've been attempting to come up with some decent justification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 This is far too weird, I've actually just built 30 or so kriegs men to act as a militia backup to my own death guard - who coincidently are also attached to the third great company. Brother Captain Arkhan and I were brainstorming the militia symbol over a game of ZM only a few days ago. Seems like it is fate? EDIT: I'm at work right now and shouldn't really be on B+C, I'll go into more depth with my thinking and justifications (maybe some pictures) when home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4262602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ha ha, that's awesome man. I've decided I'll go with Survivors of the Dark Age for the Heavy Armour / more potent weaponry and Alchem-jackers to represent their tenacity in the face of adversity. The Force Commander will be one of Mortarion's original Death Guard, prior to the arrival of the Imperium. I figure these guys would have been too old to receive Astartes implants, but they are formidable warriors without equal, so Mortarion would have them receive augmetics and genetic conditioning to keep them in their relative prime. It would also give a stronger connection between the Legion / Primarch and the world's Auxilia. So I'm thinking of equipping him with Power Armour, but the difficulty is modeling a mortal in such wargear. I don't want to use a Marine model, because then the scale would be off. I was considering one of these guys for the body / legs: http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/AFTERLIFE/Unity-Council/Tracer-Recon-Mechs Then using the Power Fist from the Character Conversion set (because it's actually modeled showing the human hand inside the fist), some Mk. II Pauldrons, and probably the ringed Mk. II helm from the Command Squad: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/MKII-Command-Set Unless anyone has better ideas, I'm all ears. Edit: Actually, a Solar Auxilia body may work well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4263031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 That first Armour set you linked to, looks perfect, especially in a rusty battered Death Guard pattern. I have never played the games past the second, but It very much reminds me of Fallout Power Armour, which is exactly what I would see when looking at the Barbaran Death Guard. even as you pointed out, the Solar Auxilia would work well! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4263204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 The last one I was contemplating was this: http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=210 It's technically supposed to be Puppets Wars' version of Chaos armour, but there's no overt Chaos decorum and the armour looks like archaeo-tech, so it may work to represent the original Death Guard armour. Otherwise, I probably will go with Solar Auxilia armour with a head swap because honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Anvil Industries product other than the weaponry. Edit: I probably wouldn't do it in the Death Guard Legion scheme, as he technically wouldn't be a Legionnaire. I've got a scheme picked out in my head for the army and he'll probably follow those guidelines a bit, perhaps with some deviation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4263206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 The last one I was contemplating was this: http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=210 It's technically supposed to be Puppets Wars' version of Chaos armour, but there's no overt Chaos decorum and the armour looks like archaeo-tech, so it may work to represent the original Death Guard armour. Otherwise, I probably will go with Solar Auxilia armour with a head swap because honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Anvil Industries product other than the weaponry. Never even contemplated looking at the Solar Auxilia, however looking at the Storm section now, they actually look perfect for Death Guard, without looking too.. Astartes if you catch my drift. I think the best point about the Solar Auxilia when I look at it, is the helmets, which I could say looks in image what I would expect a metal smith would make from a peasant village at the orders of Mortarion to outfit an army to take on the clouds of poison rather than the traditional gas mask when it came to the heavy infantry. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-ES/Solar-Auxilia-Veletaris-Storm-Section Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317572-barbarus-expeditionary-fleet-opinions/#findComment-4263209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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