ZONKEY Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Hi angels of the Lion, I was wondering what is the best way to equip a black knight command squad that will ride with sammael I was thinking apothecary and two grenade launchers and maybe a banner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigshead Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Personally I take all plasma, an apothecary and a champion. I tend to find the banner rarely pays off for me, usually getting himself killed early. And the champion is handy to take a challenge if you have other things in mind for sammy and his Ap2 sword. I don't tend to bother with the grenade launcher much anymore. I did with the old codex, but I don't find the new version as useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Are they best with a dark shroud to improve jink or are they better outflanking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigshead Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Black knights get an awesome 2+ rerollable from a shroud. So it's definitely worth considering. I find that if my opponent has anything with ignores cover, it will target the Knights first. So that would obviously negate the shroud. My own personal method is to deploy them depending on who and what I am facing, and to think about what potential threats to them will be able to mess them up on my opponents turn. Thunderfire cannons, whirlwinds. Things like that tend to cause me issues. Also, If I get turn one I'm more likely to deploy them straight off the bat. If I don't get turn one I'm more likely to outflank them. I also have a habit of deploying quite a lot of ravenwing as outflanking. It really can cause some players to think twice about where they go with their units. One particular opponent of mine has a habit of being really aggressive and assaulty with marines in Razorbacks and dreadnoughts, keeping my bikes in reserve seems to stunt his forward push, while he worries about where my bikes will come from. Will they get behind his ironclad? Will they push into his back line force and mess with his heavy weapons? I think there's definitely advantages to outflanking or standard deployment, but for me it's entirely situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I run them with the full kit. Optionally run 1 grenade launcher. 2 was good for stacking both benefits in the old book, but rad isn't anywhere near as good as it used to be. You will find that more plasma shots are usually better, especially when you lose a few models. Riding with Samael gives the grenade launcher some more use to help with challenges and since Sammael can protect your plasma gunners with the extra wounds. Dark Shrouds have double benefit. Not only do they boost your cover save, they prevent overwatch against your bikes if they are in position properly. Great choice to protect them and let them do their job. Running them as a smaller strike force detachment gives you some great options, and you can use that to make sure the dark shroud is with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 So I best having an apothecary and squad master (Sargent) and a dark shroud to boost and 1 grenade launcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Best is relative to the rest of the list, but the full loadout with 1 grenade launcher is probably the most versatile you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Take the grenade Launcher on the Apothecary so you never role gets hot on him always take the champion Aside from that run with full 6 don't get hung up on having the shroud near all the time there are situations where you just can't do it but its uses are key and combo well with a librarian in the squad and Interomancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygwyn Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 SnakeChisler, are you sure you can take the grenade launcher on the Apothecary? I think that as you have to change his statline to 'Ravenwing Apothecary' the rule of any 'RBK may replace their plasma talon with a ravenwing grenade launcher' means he can't swap his talon out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted January 3, 2016 Author Share Posted January 3, 2016 Is it worth taking a grenade launcher at all and just have talons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayJ Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ignoring the grenade launcher is fine. The grenade launcher is most useful when you plan on assaulting MEQs to make it easier to hit and strike first. If you plan to mostly shoot, or are playing vs GEQ or faster infantry, you won't notice as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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