The missing Indomitus pattern?

[Joasht]

I was going through some fluff, and it appears the Indomitus pattern Terminator armour (i.e. regular 40k Terminator armour) was already existing in 30k.

 

That said, there doesn't appear to be any rules for it (although realistically it could probably be used as Tartaros armour).

 

Am I missing a key piece of fluff (perhaps a retcon)? Or was it just that the other two patterns were somehow more common (which is strange given their complete absence in 40k).

 

Thanks!

[Slips]

Tartaros and Indomitus share the same rules.

 

Just shave off or use a non-Crux Terminatus Shoulder pad and you're all set.

[Joasht]

Awesome. Thanks!

[Quixus]

Just shave off or use a non-Crux Terminatus Shoulder pad and you're all set.

Or use right shoulder pads on the left arms too.

[Slips]

Just shave off or use a non-Crux Terminatus Shoulder pad and you're all set.

Or use right shoulder pads on the left arms too.

You only have so many shoulder pads especially for terminators.

The easiest way would be to buy a Terminator Shoulder pad kit from Forgeworld if you could and use the legion/chapter Icon pad on the place of the Crux Terminatus Pad.

[Doctor Perils]

I think the fluff reason behind the phasing out of Cataphractii and Tartaros in favour of Indomitus is similar to the phasing out of Deimos in favour of Mars pattern vehicles: though they were considered more powerfull and sturdy, they weren't as easy to produce, and with the division of the Mechanicus is just became too hard to produce and maintain the older patterns. That and I think Tartaros may have had a specific STC that was lost during the Heresy (but may have been found again by the Minotaurs), and Cataphractii doesn't fit as well with modern Adeptus Astartes tactics (highly dependent on mobility, not Cataphractii's strong suit by any means)

[Col.hertford]

I think the fluff reason behind the phasing out of Cataphractii and Tartaros in favour of Indomitus is similar to the phasing out of Deimos in favour of Mars pattern vehicles: though they were considered more powerfull and sturdy, they weren't as easy to produce, and with the division of the Mechanicus is just became too hard to produce and maintain the older patterns. That and I think Tartaros may have had a specific STC that was lost during the Heresy (but may have been found again by the Minotaurs), and Cataphractii doesn't fit as well with modern Adeptus Astartes tactics (highly dependent on mobility, not Cataphractii's strong suit by any means)

I think it's more to do with FW only just invented the other variants (comparatively speaking). The Kharbodis assault pod and leviathan dread are being introduced to the red scorpions via so ret con trick, the same with all the other newer stuff (even terminators a long time ago). I suspect they will become more common. The only thing off limits seems volkites.

[Luna707]

Well Iron Hands Gorgan terminator armor is a version of the Indomitus so if I were you I would start there and modify them to look more normal and less Iron Hands like. You could use 40k terminator shoulder pads and maybe add some fabric and green stuff over the 'electrode' like details on the torso and legs. Add some normal weapons and boom 30k Indomitus

[Doctor Perils]

Well Iron Hands Gorgan terminator armor is a version of the Indomitus so if I were you I would start there and modify them to look more normal and less Iron Hands like. You could use 40k terminator shoulder pads and maybe add some fabric and green stuff over the 'electrode' like details on the torso and legs. Add some normal weapons and boom 30k Indomitus

 

Seems to me like a complicated way of getting a model that you can get much cheaper for much the same results. I may have misunderstood your meaning though.

[Luna707]

Sure it might be a chore and more expensive but they would be pretty damn cool looking and probably more "historically" accurate compared to the plastic kit. You could even just buy the Gorgan heads off ebay and put them on the plastic kit, I think that would look pretty snazzy and different enough to pass off as heresy era armor

[Doctor Perils]

Sure it might be a chore and more expensive but they would be pretty damn cool looking and probably more "historically" accurate compared to the plastic kit. You could even just buy the Gorgan heads off ebay and put them on the plastic kit, I think that would look pretty snazzy and different enough to pass off as heresy era armor

 

It's true that those gorgons are magnificent, in particular the helms :)

[RandomMarine]

Yep they are great the immortals are even better IMO

[Doctor Perils]

In fairness, all of the Iron Hands toys look great. If they hadn't got the whole tubes thing going, I'd have got more of their stuff for my Iron Warriors.

 

To the OP: go with whichever TDA pattern you want (you can even go as far as to create your own :) ), just bear in mind that there's rules for the cataphractii, and the Tartaros and Indomitus.

[RandomMarine]

Let's not forget the 4th pattern saturine terminator armour

[lokkorex]

I still hope one day fw will give us rules and models for the saturnine.

 

But sooner than that i hope we get legion-pattern indomitus armour, preferably around the time fw covers imperial fists again, but before the siege of terra hopefully.