The Unseen Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 So, Spoilers ahead for anyone who hasn't read a fairly old heresy novel. I found the novel a pretty good read, and I only had a single problem with its plot, which is better than a lot of them for most 40k stuff. But it was a big one. Like, holy :cussing hell was it big. Why in the Emperors name did Alivia not close the gate WAY BEFORE HORUS GOT THERE. Like, say right after the Emperor used it? What was that? Possibly the single biggest gaffe in the entire whole story that I know of. So please, someone please tell me its explained somewhere else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 If I remember right, she was told by the Emperor to leave it open until the last second. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 That doesn't explain why the Emperor did that. I know the orders she was given was to leave it open, guard it, murder anyone else who found it through its whisperings and corruptions. But why did he tell her to do that, and not order her to close it outright. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Its McNeill. What more do you need to know? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Its McNeill. What more do you need to know?That's neither helpful nor relevant. Many authors have good and bad moments (Abnett/ultramarine). on topic the Emperors designs are known to very few if any, the door may have been left open for him to return to one day but we won't ever know Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The book is written by McNeill. He has yet to write a good book - although a case could be made for The Ambassador for what is now the age of sigmar and contains stuff that cannot be copywrited so didn't happen. ATS is a categorically poor book, that is better than Mcneills others and about a faction tgat people are interested in and has no real content to it apart from overworked battle scenes that make little sense. Â Abnett can't write space marines apart from when they are in a minority (Salvations Reach). Plus, abnettverse is a thing as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Yeah I asked that question, right after reading the book, in the previous thread on VS.  That gap aside, I actually enjoyed the book. More so because it had my favorite Titan Legion Crucius, because it had Knights and because it vindicated my suspicions that the Emperor had dabbled with Chaos  Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 That doesn't explain why the Emperor did that. I know the orders she was given was to leave it open, guard it, murder anyone else who found it through its whisperings and corruptions. But why did he tell her to do that, and not order her to close it outright.Don't know, it isn't explained. It goes along with "Why did the Emperor leave Angron's family to die?" and eighteen million other questions that just do not have an answer because one has never been provided. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 That doesn't explain why the Emperor did that. I know the orders she was given was to leave it open, guard it, murder anyone else who found it through its whisperings and corruptions. But why did he tell her to do that, and not order her to close it outright. Plot armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Knight Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016  That doesn't explain why the Emperor did that. I know the orders she was given was to leave it open, guard it, murder anyone else who found it through its whisperings and corruptions. But why did he tell her to do that, and not order her to close it outright.Don't know, it isn't explained. It goes along with "Why did the Emperor leave Angron's family to die?" and eighteen million other questions that just do not have an answer because one has never been provided. When discussing why the Emperor did this or that, I think that it's important to remember that the Emperor is an enigmatic (I believe that's the correct word) being, has lived for over 30,000 years, and is the gestalt form of numerous ancient human sorcerers.  Not even Malcador knows everything about the Emperor and he's the Emperor's best friend.  By the Emperor's design, no one knows anything about his motives or reasons for why he did certain things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 You know, maybe the Emperor left it open in case: He had to go back and recharge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 You know, maybe the Emperor left it open in case: He had to go back and recharge. Â Highly possible, who knows how much of his energy may have been needed to fix up the webway like he planned before Magnus came knocking. Maybe fixing the cracks in the webway would have drained him to the point where he needed to recharge. Â Â Â Â Â Theres a lot of 'maybe's with the Emperor isn't there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4272921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Â That doesn't explain why the Emperor did that. I know the orders she was given was to leave it open, guard it, murder anyone else who found it through its whisperings and corruptions. But why did he tell her to do that, and not order her to close it outright. Plot armor. This. Â And I'd argue that Graham McNeill is far from unique for doing this sort of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The book is written by McNeill. He has yet to write a good book - although a case could be made for The Ambassador for what is now the age of sigmar and contains stuff that cannot be copywrited so didn't happen. ATS is a categorically poor book, that is better than Mcneills others and about a faction tgat people are interested in and has no real content to it apart from overworked battle scenes that make little sense.  Abnett can't write space marines apart from when they are in a minority (Salvations Reach). Plus, abnettverse is a thing as well. I would go so far as to say Fulgrim was one of, if not the best heresy books I've read so far and it was written by McNeill. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016  The book is written by McNeill. He has yet to write a good book - although a case could be made for The Ambassador for what is now the age of sigmar and contains stuff that cannot be copywrited so didn't happen. ATS is a categorically poor book, that is better than Mcneills others and about a faction tgat people are interested in and has no real content to it apart from overworked battle scenes that make little sense.  Abnett can't write space marines apart from when they are in a minority (Salvations Reach). Plus, abnettverse is a thing as well. I would go so far as to say Fulgrim was one of, if not the best heresy books I've read so far and it was written by McNeill.   I also thought Fulgrim was a great book and one of the best of the Heresy series.  As far as the original question:  I thought it was ultimately so He could go back if needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Can't account for individuals taste i suppose, but Fulgrim personally was a rather forgettable novel, notable for its 'reduction ad adsurbum' of the Emperor's Children that started in the original trilogy, and continued, and merely got worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Can't account for individuals taste i suppose, but Fulgrim personally was a rather forgettable novel, notable for its 'reduction ad adsurbum' of the Emperor's Children that started in the original trilogy, and continued, and merely got worse. Well considering the original fluff for the EC turning to Slaanesh was just a really crazy party that the SoH took them to... Â I think it was a major step up. I really loved the book, I mean the Daemon sword was a bit wonky, but it played into Fulgrim's subconscious. All the other characters - Variosean, Tarvitz, Solomon Demeter, hell even Lucius had a nice plot. No one expected that weirdo to accidently be on the loyalist lines during Isstvaan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 All because he was friends with Tarvitz and Eidolon didn't like Tarvitz. In the ironic meanwhile, Fulgrim likes Tarvitz so he gets to stay in orbit. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 All because he was friends with Tarvitz and Eidolon didn't like Tarvitz. In the ironic meanwhile, Fulgrim likes Tarvitz so he gets to stay in orbit. :P You can pick your friends, but you can't pick your primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318014-questions-about-the-novel-vengeful-spirit/#findComment-4273572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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