Missing Consul Types

[Doctor Perils]

 

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Magnificent choices! I really want an ordnancer to buff my rapier(s) now! ^^

 

Small detail: I believe the Armiger is technically the one who "owns" the heraldry. Also, from the fluff you gave him, it might be nice to give him a special interaction with the army's warlord; frexample, he doesn't give a victory point if he is killed (his honour is already so tainted that the legion won't miss him) but if the army's warlord is killed he gives an extra victory point to the enemy in any case (ie if he's on the table or not)

 

Maybe a tank cmdr consul could buff standard predators mounted with AC with sunder, and only option he can have is a Sicaran with interceptor?

Hum, I feel restricting the tank commander to only a Sicaran wouldn't be very fair, or really that fluffy: what if someone wants a tank company that doesn't have Sicarans, but only a super heavy and artillery, or land raiders ? It wouldn't be logical to have the tank commander be in a sicaran in that case.

 

Do you think part of the tank commander's rule would be to make a certain type of tanks (let's say predators or the kind of tank he's in) a troop choice ? It would allow players to get more armour out, but since they still would take objectives it wouldn't necessarily be overpowered.

[nefarious squirrel]

Yes maybe your right about sllowing the tank cmdr to be put in other vehicles such as fellblades, but i think it should be restricted to only a few types: Sicaran, Predator, LR proteus or fell blade.

I think he would be in more cmd variant vehicle and wouldnt be in specialist types like typhon. Also as a sicaran is basicaly a guci predator would he not bag that for him self.

Allowing a sqd of predators as a troop choice would be good. As a mandoraty choice.

[Doctor Perils]

Yes maybe your right about sllowing the tank cmdr to be put in other vehicles such as fellblades, but i think it should be restricted to only a few types: Sicaran, Predator, LR proteus or fell blade.

I think he would be in more cmd variant vehicle and wouldnt be in specialist types like typhon. Also as a sicaran is basicaly a guci predator would he not bag that for him self.

Allowing a sqd of predators as a troop choice would be good. As a mandoraty choice.

 

Why couldn't you have siege type choices (vindicator, typhon, artillery etc.) ? I'm an Iron Warrior player, so I'm a bit biased, but stil...

 

Of course, with the upgradable tank commander that I had spoken about a few posts earlier, this could become another possibility: the base tank commander can only choose those options, but an ordnance specialist could choose one of the "siege" types, the flier ace could choose Storm Eagle/Storm Bird/Fire Raptor/Lightning etc.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Primus Pilus; (First Spear) could be used to grant Interceptor back to Legion Tank Squadrons. Or Defensive Support, may fire overwatch for itself or another unit with a Nuncio Vox with the enemy in range.

[depthcharge12]

Primus Pilus; (First Spear) could be used to grant Interceptor back to Legion Tank Squadrons. Or Defensive Support, may fire overwatch for itself or another unit with a Nuncio Vox with the enemy in range.

A Primus Pilus named Pontius Pilate?

 

 

Edit: I mean technically it's pronounced 'peel-oos'

[nefarious squirrel]

 

 

Yes maybe your right about sllowing the tank cmdr to be put in other vehicles such as fellblades, but i think it should be restricted to only a few types: Sicaran, Predator, LR proteus or fell blade.

I think he would be in more cmd variant vehicle and wouldnt be in specialist types like typhon. Also as a sicaran is basicaly a guci predator would he not bag that for him self.

Allowing a sqd of predators as a troop choice would be good. As a mandoraty choice.

Why couldn't you have siege type choices (vindicator, typhon, artillery etc.) ? I'm an Iron Warrior player, so I'm a bit biased, but stil...

 

Of course, with the upgradable tank commander that I had spoken about a few posts earlier, this could become another possibility: the base tank commander can only choose those options, but an ordnance specialist could choose one of the "siege" types, the flier ace could choose Storm Eagle/Storm Bird/Fire Raptor/Lightning etc.

I think seige vehicles should just get more from a seige breaker as should bring specialist ammo to all those vehicles.

 

The tank consul should just buff MBT's.

[Imperial Swine]

My minds been a-thinkin' more about this so get this... Dreadnought... Commanders. All legions must have that legendary figure in a dread? WHy not let him out every once in a while?

Like a souped up contemptor that gives mega buffs for everything.

So WS6, venerable special rule, 4HP, and armoured ceramite.

Stays still, WS1 and BS1 for that whole turn. But gives mega buffs to his army, all units LD10, can auto-rally falling back troops, interceptor to a nearby unit, can give fleet to a unit, etc.

I tend to have a favouritism for support classes... but why not have that support be a 10 metre tall robot that kills everything it goes near!?

And here's something ive been wanting for a long time: Huscarls.

Whats it like being a soldier for the most honest primarch out there? Surely the Fists had some secrets and dirty underwear they want kept quiet... And i figure Dorn's personal retainers would see to that. What he doesn't know, wont hurt him

"Eagle-helmed they strode, and all were to know a new wall was to rise in the defence of Man"

So, like Deathshroud, theyre a unit and a HQ choice of 2 marines. for X pts

WS 5 BS 4 S4 T4 I4 A2 LD10 Sv 2+

Tartarus Terminator Armour, Combi-bolter, power weapon, can purchase all options available.

Chosen warriors (Can all accept challenges), zealot, Unseen Duty*, retinue for a praetor/character.

Unseen Duty: Choose a specific task to be achieved by this unit, i.e. claim an objective/kill someone, etc. Receive bonuses/lose killpoint if not achieved.

One Huscarl can be upgraded to _________ for 20pts

This gives him an extra attack and wound, can purchase a paragon blade.

And if any forgeworld staff are reading this, its free to use!

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Huh, I'm currently writing some rules for a 'Legion Ancient' Dread HQ choice which functions as an upgrade for any type of dread - I'll post em' here once they're done (so yes, HQ Leviathans / Deredeos :P )

[Imperial Swine]

Huh, I'm currently writing some rules for a 'Legion Ancient' Dread HQ choice which functions as an upgrade for any type of dread - I'll post em' here once they're done (so yes, HQ Leviathans / Deredeos )

Doing the Gorgon's work my cybro

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Here we go:

 

Legion Ancient:

 

The Legion Ancient may be purchased as an upgrade for a single Legion Dreadnought Talon, Legion Mortis Dreadnought Talon, Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought, Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought Talon, Leviathan Dreadnought Talon or Deredeo Dreadnought. The unit retains all its existing rules and options, but must only consist of a single Dreadnought, which becomes a HQ choice. The Legion Ancient gains the following rules:

 

Special Rules:

• Venerable: The owning player may force results on the Vehicle Damage chart against the Legion Ancient to be re-rolled.
• Legion’s Might: The Legion Ancient increases its Weapon Skill characteristic by +1. Additionally, any unit in the same army with the Legiones Astartes rule within 12” of the Legion Ancient may re-roll failed Morale tests.
• Legacy: The Legion Ancient may select a single Legacy from the list below:

Mantle of Command: The Legion Ancient has the Master of the Legion special rule, and may be selected as the army’s warlord. Additionally the Legion Ancient counts as being equipped with a Nuncio-vox.

Fallen Champion: The Legion Ancient increases its Attack characteristic by +1, and gains the Rampage special rule. Any such Legion Ancient must be equipped with at least one weapon with the Melee type (this does prevent Deredeo Dreadnoughts, Mortis Dreadnoughts and Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnoughts from selecting this Legacy).

Forge Kin: The Legion Ancient increases any invulnerable save it has by +1, or gains a 6+ invulnerable save if it does not already have one, and gains the Tank Hunters special rule. Additionally, the Legion Ancient counts as being equipped with a Cortex Controller.

Undying: The Legion Ancient gains the It Will Not Die! special rule. Any such Legion Ancient must have at least one armour value of 13.

[Lord Blackwood]

Here we go:

 

Legion Ancient:

 

The Legion Ancient may be purchased as an upgrade for a single Legion Dreadnought Talon, Legion Mortis Dreadnought Talon, Contemptor Dreadnought Talon, Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought, Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought Talon, Leviathan Dreadnought Talon or Deredeo Dreadnought. The unit retains all its existing rules and options, but must only consist of a single Dreadnought, which becomes a HQ choice. The Legion Ancient gains the following rules:

 

Special Rules:

• Venerable: The owning player may force results on the Vehicle Damage chart against the Legion Ancient to be re-rolled.
• Legion’s Might: The Legion Ancient increases its Weapon Skill characteristic by +1. Additionally, any unit in the same army with the Legiones Astartes rule within 12” of the Legion Ancient may re-roll failed Morale tests.
• Legacy: The Legion Ancient may select a single Legacy from the list below:

Mantle of Command: The Legion Ancient has the Master of the Legion special rule, and may be selected as the army’s warlord. Additionally the Legion Ancient counts as being equipped with a Nuncio-vox.

Fallen Champion: The Legion Ancient increases its Attack characteristic by +1, and gains the Rampage special rule. Any such Legion Ancient must be equipped with at least one weapon with the Melee type (this does prevent Deredeo Dreadnoughts, Mortis Dreadnoughts and Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnoughts from selecting this Legacy).

Forge Kin: The Legion Ancient increases any invulnerable save it has by +1, or gains a 6+ invulnerable save if it does not already have one, and gains the Tank Hunters special rule.

Undying: The Legion Ancient gains the It Will Not Die! and Preferred Enemy (Everything!) special rules. Any such Legion Ancient must have at least one armour value of 13.

 

The Leviathan Dreadnought of Legends tho 

[Doctor Perils]

What kinds of points are you thinking of IHF ? 'Cause some of these could be crazy powerful...

[helterskelter]

Give a leviathan forge kin in an iron hands army with head of the gorgon and ferrus. Sickening ;)

[Charlo]

I'd like to see something for Iron Warriors /Hands that is a master of analytics.

 

Basically gives out more exotic special rules pre/during the game and more of a meta choice. Rerolling size perhaps?

[Skalpynock]

Give a leviathan forge kin in an iron hands army with head of the gorgon and ferrus. Sickening

Obscene.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

What kinds of points are you thinking of IHF ? 'Cause some of these could be crazy powerful...

 

Well, the base Ancient wouldn't be a huge hike (basically being a toned down Ancient Rylanor if bought for a Contemptor), but the pricing for the different Legacies would vary - give me a little while & I'll figure out some rough estimates.

 

Yeah I was wondering if Undying might be a tad over the top, so I was thinking of making one of 2 changes:

 

A. Keep IWND, but scrap the Preferred Enemy, so it's just tougher

B. Swap IWND for Blessed Autosimacrula, and retain Preferred Enemy?

 

Note: I've given the Forge Kin Legacy a Cortex Controller, just to bring it closer to Techmarines & Forge Lords.

[RandomMarine]

I'd like a tactical officer that allows you to give out fotl to units other than tacs imagine fotl on a culverin squad

[Hesh Kadesh]

What about making it a special rule for a War-zone assigned Legiones Astartes character suffering a Captured result? Roll a dice. On a 4+, the captured mission is played as normal, on a 1-3, if the mission is successful, then the Character may be brought back as an Ancient?

 

I like the rules, but I think that you've got some particularly powerful rules in there - a Contemptor Dreadnought Talon with 6 Kheres Assault Cannon and Preferred Enemy would be utterly lethal. And yes, a possible 3++ Leviathan with IWND and Blessed Autosimulacra might be on the more extreme scale, but it's there.

 

IWND I don't think has its place on normal Dreadnoughts, nor did I get the fluff for Venerable (200 years is Venerable?) so I was quite happy when Telemechrus had Venerable renamed to Resilient. Blessed Simulacra is something that is more reminiscent of a Forge Lord kinda deal, they are "self healing alloys" .

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

What about making it a special rule for a War-zone assigned Legiones Astartes character suffering a Captured result? Roll a dice. On a 4+, the captured mission is played as normal, on a 1-3, if the mission is successful, then the Character may be brought back as an Ancient?

 

I like the rules, but I think that you've got some particularly powerful rules in there - a Contemptor Dreadnought Talon with 6 Kheres Assault Cannon and Preferred Enemy would be utterly lethal. And yes, a possible 3++ Leviathan with IWND and Blessed Autosimulacra might be on the more extreme scale, but it's there.

 

IWND I don't think has its place on normal Dreadnoughts, nor did I get the fluff for Venerable (200 years is Venerable?) so I was quite happy when Telemechrus had Venerable renamed to Resilient. Blessed Simulacra is something that is more reminiscent of a Forge Lord kinda deal, they are "self healing alloys" .

 

Campaign rules sound cool.

 

It does specifically state that whichever unit you upgrade must only consist of a single dreadnought, so you could never have 6 kheres with preferred enemy?

 

The reason I chose Venerable as found on Rylanor's profile as opposed to Telemechrus' Resilient is the latter allows re-rolls on the Destroyer Damage table, so I chose the less powerful option - Venerable refers to the interned Legionary being a previous HQ figure, and having been interned for up to 2 centuries, as opposed to many Dreadnought pilots in the Legions which would have been within their Dreadnought Armours for a few decades or less.

 

Well, these are once-per army HQs, so the whole point is that they aren't 'normal Dreadnoughts' - the Undying legacy is supposed to represent a Dread whose resistance is legendary among the Legion. Considering that, I'll probably stick with IWND alone for the Legacy.

 

I get what you mean with the Leviathan / Head of the Gorgon / Ferrus combo, but I don't think I can adjust the rules to account for all the RoW / Warlord Trait / Primarch buffs possible in the game - I'll just have to ensure the costs for certain Legacies are appropriate.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Somehow missed the rule, and I brainfarted as they're not a squadron anyway.