depthcharge12 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 As many of you have been following my house Malinax thread, I've been musing about the future rules for daemon engines becoming involved during the mid and later parts of the heresy. House Malinax purportedly was Dark Mechanicus aligned and would be fiddling about with such warpcraft eventually. What are people's opinions on taking things like a Brass Scorpion or a Chaos Knight (both beautiful kits) in a knight list? Before you throw me off a cliff, I'd include the caveat that they'd only be included for higher points games (3000+) and not as the main army - either a LoW or allied knight house. I saw poom's lovely Sarum forge Brass Scorpion a while back (blessed be poom) - which makes perfect sense as that is the origin of that machine (I cite Athrawes as he is my personal lore librarian). But how cool would one look in House Malinax colors with their emblem on it? I mean it's a frikken Three-Tailed Scorpion after all - maybe Sarum abducted some Malinax pilots and shoved them into the Brass Scorpion to absorb? Maybe that chaos knight is one of the first forays into marrying daemon with machine? TL;DR - is rule of cool good enough for now until FW decides to print gold with the Dark AdMech inclusion in a future book? (FW at this point decides paper money is for plebes and prints gold instead). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 TL;DR - is rule of cool good enough for now until FW decides to print gold with the Dark AdMech inclusion in a future book? (FW at this point decides paper money is for plebes and prints gold instead). Yes. Rule of cool says do it! I've been contemplating the same questions around using my Brass Scorpion with Dark Mechanicus too. It must be done! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 You and Athrawes seem to subscribe to the rule of cool, I mean doesn't Athrawes use those awesome Second Legion rules? I would totally say that you could use some daemon engines like knights. However I feel like there should be a bit more conservative with the daemon stuff since the Dark Mechanicus was only starting to expirement with all of this stuff. Maybe put a restriciton like needing that one special Dark Mech charchhter. His name compeltely escapes me right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Swallow screwed up in oath of moment and put a defiler on Calth. I think, anyway. So there is precedent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Tbh I think the ad mech who were hanging out with word bearer have probably be messing about with demons for quite a while. Also in mechanicum as soon as the fabricator general rebelled against Terra his faction started using proscribed tech ai,warp powered weapons and mutated servitors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Brass Scorpions are first encountered in substantial numbers during the later Black Crusades according to IA13. A Chaos Knight representing a Knight from late in the Heresy would be totally okay. There's nothing stopping you from doing either with the permission of your opponent, but I am pretty sure there are no pilots in a Brass Scorpion. edit: lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Brass Scorpions are first encountered in substantial numbers during the later Black Crusades according to IA13. A Chaos Knight representing a Knight from late in the Heresy would be totally okay. There's nothing stopping you from doing either with the permission of your opponent, but I am pretty sure there are no pilots in a Brass Scorpion. Oh I know, but I'm saying they shove the pilots into the weave that sucks out their souls :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Defilers were a late creation on Abbadon's orders for one of the later Black Crusades and each legion only got a few. I am pretty sure daemon engines were not used during the heresy. Perhaps what was at Calth was a mislabled summoned Soulgrinder or something. Even the titans were piloted still by corrupted pilots and most of the traitor legions had little to do with daemons at all as they know it in 40k. Aside from WBs, it was more guesswork and gates just opening allowing daemons into the material universe from the war and emotion. I am pretty sure most of the traitor marines during the Heresy would be just as appalled by the appearance of daemons as the loyalists would. EC and WB being exceptions to this. after all they are still mostly noble marines fighting a civil war, not depraved chaos marines ticked off about 10000 years of not winning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 I know, I'm just talking mid/late war where everyone knows bantha poodoo has hit the fan at this point and the Dark AdMech are experimenting with things they should not at behest of Horus. Inevitably these daemon machines will rear their heads by the Siege of Terra, but let's not forget things like the Mhara Gal dreadnought, which technically didn't exist in the fluff until about a year ago :) There really shouldn't be a black and white date where it is decided, "Hey everyone! Just to let you know, you need to turn all your vehicles into daemon controlled things by Monday, or you get assessed a late fee!" These daemon engines should creep in as the shackles of the Emperor and Mars at large fall off, and these Mechanicus cults begin experimenting :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Fluff wise, I'd agree that using the Defiler of Brass Scorpion out of the box would probably be too early. From what I recall of the seminars about the Dark Mechanicum, they are mostly new to the daemon \ machine hybrid. I'd guess it's more try and error and custom add on sat this point. But I can surely imagine Empyrean intelligences hooked up to enhance servitors in some sort of onboard assitant S.A.I. Type - it's not "possession" yet, but given time...And the dune crawler thingies consume their pilots for example. What if someone mixed that with a friendly empyrean critter? Also, AFAIK we haven't seen much of what the Mechanicum locked up in the vaults though. Maybe some proto defiler / scorpion thingy was locked away in a vault and not responded to anything the sacristans had to offer - until a helpful Word Bearer / Dark Magos shows up with update runes and a couple of downloadable sacrifices? Or you could go unsanctioned, lost pattern with a kind of proto scorpion ...maybe some kit bash between the dune crawler and the defiler with vindicator gun up front and the talos tail thingy back ....it would still have a pilot. For now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318389-speculationopinion-on-30k-daemon-engines/#findComment-4280863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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