calvin the wraithlord Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 As an emperors children player, and a long time fan i cant help but wonder, where is Lucius? I mean we have Khârn, sigi, sevatar, abbadon, but not a whisper of our favorite arrogant B*stard blademaster :P. Id have to assume he'll get a release when they cover the Angel exterminatus part of the heresy or something? Anyone had any thoughts on the topic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I doubt that they'll cover the actual events of Angel Exterminatus, but if the Emperor's Children get another special character Lucius and Fabius are both prime candidates. Come to think of it, they're probably the most well known characters (from the Legions already covered) to not received rules or a mini. Although they're both Traitors, and my Emperor's Children are Loyalists/pre Heresy, I'd definitely buy both minis to paint up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Yeah, like Kizzdougs mentioned, they'll probably skip out on part of Angel Exterminatus. But we'll probably see a FW book covering the Emperor's Children & Iron Warriors vs Imperial Fists & Mechanicum (the events leading up to AE and the first part of AE until they head off to the Eye). Then the next time we see the IW will be Tallarn and for the EC it'll be... ??? whenever/wherever they show back up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 He is dead, murdered by one RG sergeant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 He is dead, murdered by one RG sergeant. He's already back, actually. Then he journeyed through the eye, found the planet of the sorcerers and dueled the best swordsman of the Thousand Sons. Graham McNeill.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 We have eidolon the beat stick and poor old tarvitz wasn't done justice but hey. I'm not sure if we will see vaerosian in the new book, I can't remember if it was said yay or nay. But Alan Bligh said eventually he'd love to do ec as degenerated and fallen far from the tree. So don't worry, one day youl get Terrata etc (a new section in black shields makes it possible actually apparently) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 :cuss Lucius, He was never A list material, Khârn,Amit,Sevatar,Sigismund,Abbadon and Argel Tal where/are the elite warriors of the legions. Lucius at this point is a journey man contender just someone you have to beat to advance to the next level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Lucius, He was never A list material, Khârn,Amit,Sevatar,Sigismund,Abbadon and Argel Tal where/are the elite warriors of the legions. Lucius at this point is a journey man contender just someone you have to beat to advance to the next level. He is pretty much part of the Emperor's Children incarnate along with Eidolon and Julius. + Eidolon being the arrogance, pride and superiority. + Julius being the excess and degeneracy. + Lucius being the Martial superiority and grace with the blade. I personally would put him as A list material, as he plays a pretty big part in the earlier heresy, especially in Isstvan III betraying the Loyalist segments for his own gain and his childishness and hunger for superiority and power. As much as I hate the Emperor's Children, he is a fantastic character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Lucius, He was never A list material, Khârn,Amit,Sevatar,Sigismund,Abbadon and Argel Tal where/are the elite warriors of the legions. Lucius at this point is a journey man contender just someone you have to beat to advance to the next level. Surely you jest :P He might not be the First Captain of his Legion or his Primarch's Equerry, and he is a thoroughly unlikable character with few redeeming qualities, but calling him a 'journey man contender' is ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 It was a disapointment not to see any rules for Lucius, Julius or Fabius we'll have to do with praetors I guess Lucius could be a legion champion tough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I agree they wont cover the actual events of Angel exterminatus i just ment that kind of time frame if you get me? :) Aye in an ideal world we'd have rules for Kaesoron etc aswel, but even he compared to Lucius and fabius is a smallfry. Im so surprised hes not had rules or a model yet, hes still about ten thousand years later!!! Im actually semi happy he didnt come out in book 1 because as mentioned above poor Tarvitz is pretty awful on the tabletop and i think id go mad if Lucius had the same kind of crappy rules!!! I am just desperate for a likable EC character that can actually do :cuss on the table, Eidolon is good and that but hes just such a hateful guy, Lucius is just so so cool, and such a badass, the fact he was killed by the above mentioned Raven guard means nothing to me, as said raven guard has so much plot armor he should be an Ultramarine! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think it probably comes down to some difficulty in balancing him. He's been so inconsistant through the BL novels, what do you do with him. Is he the best swordsman in the Legions or is he the guy who keeps getting beat up by "inferior" fighters? I don't think they'll avoid him forever though and I'm really looking forward to seeing him get the 30K treatment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think it probably comes down to some difficulty in balancing him. He's been so inconsistant through the BL novels, what do you do with him. Is he the best swordsman in the Legions or is he the guy who keeps getting beat up by "inferior" fighters? I don't think they'll avoid him forever though and I'm really looking forward to seeing him get the 30K treatment. ive always thought he's pretty pretty consistent tbh hes always shown as being a outstanding swordsman, and is never actually bested in a one on one duel until he fights that Lord commander that kills him. When loken beats him he cheats *cough sev* and when the raven guard *cough plot armor* beats him its not like a one on one duel the guys flying about and stuff, i get what you mean though, he is literally shown at one point to single handedly slaughter whole squads of astartes with ease, and dismissively beat other apparent "duelists" with out breaking a sweat, so aye for him to live up to his fluff and be balanced is a tricky one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It would be interesting to have him be a character that swaps weapon skill with the character he is fighting. That could easily justify his erratic performance in the books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4282988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 It would be interesting to have him be a character that swaps weapon skill with the character he is fighting. That could easily justify his erratic performance in the books. I agree, but are his rules in 40k not similar? And from what ive seen/heard hes awful in 40k (unfortunately) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Swapping WS would probably not work as intended as a Game Mechanic. Consider: Lucius WS 6 or 7 Maximum. Angron WS 9 They somehow end up in Combat. EC Characters have to challenge. Angron accepts because Free VPs for MURDERLATING an upstart Peacock. Lucius' Rule kicks in. Suddenly WS9 and Angron is WS7. Table is flipped by the other player because of how nonsensical that is even if the To-Hit difference is marginal at best. +++ You also have to consider the main reason why he doesnt have a rule set: Limiting Legions to 3 Characters. Who would you rather see if you only had 2 Slots since 1 is auto-taken by the Primarch? Eidolon, the Big bad of the IIIrd Legion. Saul Tarvits, the guy who gives the loyalists a chance at actually fighting back or Lucius. The guy who was sent down to die by his Primarch and just turns Traitor "just 'cuz" and has no actual impact on the Dropsite Massacre? We'll see him at some point down the Road Especially when the Legions start to get much more Chaosy. But in the Context of Book 1: Betrayal, him being a character didnt really make much sense from a Narrative perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I would actually think they'd cover the events of Angels Exterminatus, considering it's the event that led to Fulgrim's ascension. Prior to BL's portrayal of Lucius, he was the consummate duelist, bar none. He was undefeated in combat until post-Heresy, which is where he developed his power. I'd say the problem isn't the character, the problem is BL authors. They've cheapened him to the point that he's just a guy you have some random Loyalist beat to show how awesome they are, he's been ruined. BL authors ruined Lucius. There. I said it. So I would assume at one point you'll see Lucius in a campaign that would cover the events in AE. It would make sense because they would be able to expand upon Shattered Legions and two Traitor Legions at once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Swapping WS would probably not work as intended as a Game Mechanic. Consider: Lucius WS 6 or 7 Maximum. Angron WS 9 They somehow end up in Combat. EC Characters have to challenge. Angron accepts because Free VPs for MURDERLATING an upstart Peacock. Lucius' Rule kicks in. Suddenly WS9 and Angron is WS7. Table is flipped by the other player because of how nonsensical that is even if the To-Hit difference is marginal at best. +++ You also have to consider the main reason why he doesnt have a rule set: Limiting Legions to 3 Characters. Who would you rather see if you only had 2 Slots since 1 is auto-taken by the Primarch? Eidolon, the Big bad of the IIIrd Legion. Saul Tarvits, the guy who gives the loyalists a chance at actually fighting back or Lucius. The guy who was sent down to die by his Primarch and just turns Traitor "just 'cuz" and has no actual impact on the Dropsite Massacre? We'll see him at some point down the Road Especially when the Legions start to get much more Chaosy. But in the Context of Book 1: Betrayal, him being a character didnt really make much sense from a Narrative perspective. Lucius killed a whole wing of loyalists and allowed the traitors to overruns there defences during the betrayal thats a pretty big part man :P Na like i said above i didnt think book one was for him anyway, but the fact we've not seen him yet is abit grrrr, i mean the Word bearers have a ton of characters, yes that is to do with calth i know, but still, would be good seeing him, soon. I would actually think they'd cover the events of Angels Exterminatus, considering it's the event that led to Fulgrim's ascension. Prior to BL's portrayal of Lucius, he was the consummate duelist, bar none. He was undefeated in combat until post-Heresy, which is where he developed his power. I'd say the problem isn't the character, the problem is BL authors. They've cheapened him to the point that he's just a guy you have some random Loyalist beat to show how awesome they are, he's been ruined. BL authors ruined Lucius. There. I said it. So I would assume at one point you'll see Lucius in a campaign that would cover the events in AE. It would make sense because they would be able to expand upon Shattered Legions and two Traitor Legions at once. I agree with you 10000% dude, they made him the "avatar" of 30k!!! They built him up then used him as a right of passage for any mary sue character they were trying to make look awesome, "no need to build a character, if they can beat someone with Lucius' rep they must be good" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Exactly. SHAME, BLACK LIBRARY. SHAME. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Exactly. SHAME, BLACK LIBRARY. SHAME. You sir, are my new favorite person. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 At least someone loves me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Vespasian. That's all I can really say on the matter. He IS the Emperor's Children, even more so than Fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Vespasian. That's all I can really say on the matter. He IS the Emperor's Children, even more so than Fulgrim. Yeah, I totally agree and he is my favourite HH character of any Legion, but unfortunately we're never going to get rules or a mini for him. RIP sweet prince :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Lucius was overlooked bacause Fulgrim did not carr for people who didn't fit his personal cookie-cutter version of perfection. Just as Saul was overlooked as he didn't care for perfection but for efficiency. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Vespasian. That's all I can really say on the matter. He IS the Emperor's Children, even more so than Fulgrim. Yeah, I totally agree and he is my favourite HH character of any Legion, but unfortunately we're never going to get rules or a mini for him. RIP sweet prince :( RIP indeed. The heart and soul of the EC died with him, Demeter and Tarvitz. I often think of what the original HH trilogy would have been like if it were Vespasian that came across the distress beacon on Murder, and not Eidolon. I believe the Luna Wolves would have taken a liking to him. Eidolon is such a piece of :cuss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318455-lucius/#findComment-4283141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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