nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Hello experts! Am i missing something about the achilles alpha? Im a IF player so i like the achilles for the fluff, now both versions have access to shatter shells it would seem, the main difference being choom or melta side weapons. But the alpha can swap out choom for meltas, alpha comes with galvanic drive which makes you re roll DTT, but you can buy auxiliary drive for standard achilles which appears to be better as it allows a immoblised result to be repaired. Both have the same ferromantic invulnerability, and a standard achilles comes in cheaper than an alpha. What am i missing? I think the standard one is better as i can put it in a squadron with a proteus to support it, and put a havoc launcher on it for same price, and top it off use one HS slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Get the Alpha since it has the volkite sponsons. You can magnitze them at that point so you can switc it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Get the Alpha since it has the volkite sponsons. You can magnitze them at that point so you can switc it up. CHOOM. It basically takes the best things about 30k in one package: -actually hard to kill AV14 boxes -Quad Mortar -CHOOOOOOOOM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ive magnetised the weapons, just in case. And obviously the choom looks better, but game wise? I know amoured ceramite is about, but melta is good at turning ap 2 men into slag! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There is a reason why it's tha Alpha ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ive magnetised the weapons, just in case. And obviously the choom looks better, but game wise? I know amoured ceramite is about, but melta is good at turning ap 2 men into slag! It is, but the mortar only goes up to ap3, and 8 twin linked S6 deflag shots still hurt power armour and what frag shells will hurt too. Better synergy among weapons. Does it have machine spirit though? That could be a case for Melta (if you're insaaaaane) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Reet, choom it is. Also i'll make a second choom wagon! As the threat of two is a nicer force multiplier! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I got an alpha simply because it has my favourite weapons - culverin choomy goodness and a quad mortar. Machine spirit the mortar and choom infantry. It's joined my twin twin linked choomtemptor and the leviathan which also has choom. Choom, choom, choom, shake the room! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 https://instagram.com/p/9XIX50Syy7/ Swap the weapons out and the choom wagon is ready. The top hatch bolters are "broken"! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Get the Alpha since it has the volkite sponsons. You can magnitze them at that point so you can switc it up. It also unequivolcally has Shatter Shells which combined with Machine Spirit and Multi melta to make it a good unit. One that has bugged me is that Enhanced Ferromantic Rites do nothing more than Ferromantic Invulnerability, or why Achilles (Beta?) has Armoured Ceramite. So you're paying 50pts to swap MM to Culverins and gain access to Tank Killing Rounds (after possibly swapping away MM for Infantry shredding Volkites). A bit naff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 As they have a transport capacity (6) if they are transporting an elite or fast attack choice, do you think they could they outflank using maru skara? I don't think it's really clear, but maybe that's a 'between the lines' thing. I have the kit to put together I just wondered if it was worth play testing it before I do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'll have to check, but I think it only confers if they have Outflank, or are Dedicated Transports. In general, 'between the lines' is a thinky veiled 'it doesn't say i can't', something I've certainly played on in the past. It annoys me as well it is not an option, however, for a Command Sqiad to not be able to take it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Its actually a 25pt Difference between both Variants and that cost only gives you integrated Dozer Blades and the option to swap out to Culverin Sponsons. Where the rule of cool is concerned, this isn't much of an issue. ...they also both have Armoured Ceramite standard and screw over Melta more in addition to "LOLNOPE"ing Lance Weapons. The -1 to the damage table also means Ap1 is blowing you up on a 6 instead of 5 (unless D) and Alpha Legion Shenanigans are toned back down to a +2 to the chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 It would make sense that a command squad could take it as the fluff states it was favoured by command squads. With the 25 pts difference, you can buy an auxiliary drive and a havoc launcher to make it the same if not better (?). I like the choom better as rule of cool, but in my army those few points make a difference. I want to love the volkites on the model but i just dont think its 25 points better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 It would make sense that a command squad could take it as the fluff states it was favoured by command squads. With the 25 pts difference, you can buy an auxiliary drive and a havoc launcher to make it the same if not better (?). I like the choom better as rule of cool, but in my army those few points make a difference. I want to love the volkites on the model but i just dont think its 25 points better. In a world were armoured ceramite is an option on all valuable targets, the choom makes it better at mauling infantry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Especially when all your other Land Raiders have Lascannons anyway as well as the Heavy Support Slot in general doing Anti-Tank pretty efficiently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 Lascannons =/= AT though. I supose against AC it is better, which is fair, but Melta and AP1 is still hard to beat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Maybe, the best route is to suck up the points difference and just swap side weapons depending on the enemy its against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 For AT there is better choices, sicaran ventor & vindi destroyer for example. But as heavy tank with stopping power the achilles is better than a standard LR, as thats being ecliped by the spartan as an assault tank. But thats for another post. Thanks for your views. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Worth noting too that the normal Achilles if taken in a squadron can have a Proteus with it with an Explorator Augury Web to give the unit Scout too. Maybe not a large bonus but depends what you're putting inside them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I plan to take MM with Pyros. MM for TEQ Pyros for MEQ Quadcannon is just icing. Delicious, artillery icing. That said, I tragically put mine together when I was a screb. So my culverins are glued on :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4284899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nefarious squirrel Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 I apologise for the threadromancy, But now that the quad mortar has been "nerfed" (or in my view made better) with different ammo types will this affect the achilles or achilles alpha? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4298428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Not yet. Currently has frag and shatter in book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4298461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I apologise for the threadromancy, But now that the quad mortar has been "nerfed" (or in my view made better) with different ammo types will this affect the achilles or achilles alpha? Threadromancy returned! Legiones Astartes Quad Mortar was updated, nothing else. So we still have frag & shatter as per standard. This applies to Solar Auxilia quad mortars too I guess. It seems that multi-meltas are well suited to Covenant of Fire Salamanders. Twin-linked and master-crafted multi-meltas with shatter shells to pelt TEQs sounds like a winning combination in my book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4326064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Twin linked and master crafted are the same thing though, really.... Twinlinked just over writes MC. Id go Volkite, but that's me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318524-lr-achilles-alpha-or-vanilla-achilles/#findComment-4326106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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