Legio Draconis Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I know from old fluff that Mark 7 Armour arrived at the later stages of the heresy, but does anyone know when? Would it be closer to scouring? Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Imperial Fists recovered it from Mars and used it to defend the Walls of Terra during the siege. I'd say it's fairly safe to assume it was common place by the conclusion of the Scouring. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherGecko Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 That was MK6 they recovered. I'm pretty sure there wasn't any MK7 during the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nope that was MK7. As Mars was being overrun it was shipped to the loyalists on Luna and Terra. WD#129 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 They recovered both. However the Mk VI was complete while the Mk VII was still being developed. As a result, the Mk VI that was made was immediately distributed to the Raven Guard and Imperial Fists(Deliverance Lost) while the Mechanicum on Terra finished developing the Mk VII and began producing it. As a result, it is mostly seen at Terra among the Loyalist defenders during the Siege, but has the potential to become more spread out depending on how the fluff develops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Heresy BA, WS and IF all would be fair game to use mk7 if you're going for a siege of terra theme Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Achiles Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Awesome this just made some MkVII I have lying around into a project for siege of terra for my fists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It should also bear pointing out that there are Mk IV variants which have a resemblance to Mk VII, so if anyone ever wanted to just use their Mk VII they actually can. Regardless of the time or location during the Heresy. Examples would be the Sarum pattern used by the World Eaters and there was another pattern used by the Sons of Horus, but I can't recall what it was named beyond starting with a "g". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 You could also probably pass off Mk 7 helmets as modified Manilla helms (which are basically the ones used with Mk V.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4293826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legio Draconis Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 Cheers folks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherGecko Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nope that was MK7. As Mars was being overrun it was shipped to the loyalists on Luna and Terra. WD#129 Can't say I remembered that. Does the HH book Mechanicum mention that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viridia Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nope that was MK7. As Mars was being overrun it was shipped to the loyalists on Luna and Terra. WD#129 Can't say I remembered that. Does the HH book Mechanicum mention that? If I remember rightly, Mechanicum had it as Mk IV armour that was retrieved by Camba-Diaz. ‘The work proceeds,’ said Kane. ‘Already we have shipped over twelve thousand suits of Mark IV armour and twice as many weapons.’ I've always gone with this interpretation as Mk IV to me is the 'high-tech' option of the Heresy era, but these days it seems that honour's reserved for Mk VI or Mk VII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Mk 6 and 7 were designed as improvements over mk4, but also used easier to manufacture components. Look at the deathwatch rules for the various mks - Alan bligh was also involved in writing those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I thought Sigismund took a bunch of MK IV from Mars it was in the Mechanicum HH novel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yea 12000 suits of MK IV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Does deathwatch go into more detail on the advantages disadvantages of the marks? (RPG deathwatch..?? Reference I am keen for a read of that!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I thought Sigismund took a bunch of MK IV from Mars it was in the Mechanicum HH novelIn Mechanicum, in the first haul of loot and booty, Sigismund siezed Mk IV. By the time the Raven Guard show up in Deliverance Lost, the Imperial Fists' continued siezing of assets on Mars yielded a few thousand suits of Mk VI, which they gave to the Raven Guard(Deliverance Lost). In older sources, the Imperial Fists also found the blue prints for the Mk VII and with the help of Loyalist Mechanicum who fled to Terra, they finished development and began production. This isn't a "one-source answer" as there are more than a few that deal specifically with this subject and each one only provides a small, incomplete picture. They should all be used together as a whole in order to share the information properly and prevent confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I forgot that they mentioned were they got the MK VI in deliverance lost...I assume that all the legions that were defending the palace would have been issued new MK IV because the Raven guard got all the MK VI I think I wish they made AL MK VI Pads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 They made IF Mk VI pads so make of that what you will :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Does deathwatch go into more detail on the advantages disadvantages of the marks? (RPG deathwatch..?? Reference I am keen for a read of that!)Yeah thinks like mk6 being unusual in that it enhanced agility (a big deal as that enhances movement,turn order, ability to dodge, flight etc) and had the best auto senses. Mk3 naturally has better armour rating from the front but is the same as mk2 from the back. Mk7 is marginally better armoured than all others except mk8 (which has better torso armour and a chance that head shots hit torso instead) The strength enhancement varied from suit to suit as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuttyer1st Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I thought Sigismund took a bunch of MK IV from Mars it was in the Mechanicum HH novel I have heard, though can't confirm, that later reprints of Mechanicum have changed the recovered armour to Mark VI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I thought Sigismund took a bunch of MK IV from Mars it was in the Mechanicum HH novel I have heard, though can't confirm, that later reprints of Mechanicum have changed the recovered armour to Mark VI in cybernetica it simply says they take all the stores they can, and doesnt mention specific armour mks or weapon patterns etc. it does however make much more sense that they'd be retrieving the recently completed mkVI or early prototype mkVII than mkIV as mkIV is not particularly uncommon by the outset of the heresy (fear to tread which is much more recent than mechanicum has most of the BA in mkIV, a lot of the marines in know no fear are also mentioned as wearing mkIV IIRC) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Does deathwatch go into more detail on the advantages disadvantages of the marks? (RPG deathwatch..?? Reference I am keen for a read of that!) It does a little bit, but it's because mechanically that differentiation is needed for that game. I don't know if I'd read too much into that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Does deathwatch go into more detail on the advantages disadvantages of the marks? (RPG deathwatch..?? Reference I am keen for a read of that!) It does a little bit, but it's because mechanically that differentiation is needed for that game. I don't know if I'd read too much into that. Tbh, I disagree, there was no reason they HAD to add the extra armour types - it's why they aren't the core rules. And they do explain the differences between the armour pretty well in my opinion. Giving reasons for why they are different etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well I thought that most of the Traitor Legions had MK IV at the outset of the Heresy and they had an advantage over the loyalists...MK V was because supplies lines were broken and they legions had to make due with what they had..MK VI was the next adavancment in armor...my copy of Mechanicum was the first right when it came out so I can see if they changed details Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318843-arrival-of-mark-7/#findComment-4294966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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