[HH1.0] Blood Angels Tactica - Assault Cannons For Days

[Flint13]

What isn't that an issue for? 

 

If you find the special rules that completely negate shooting, be sure to let me know. 

[CaptainHelion]

Getting shot? A problem in a game with guns? Perish the thought :p

[Blindhamster]

So, with the changes to Assault marines.

 

what are peoples thoughts on the best way to run day of revelations now?

 

massed assault troops or the bare minimum? what means would you use to ensure that deep striking is viable?

[Charlo]

10-15, apothecary, power axes, shield / axe on the sarge.

 

They are still troops only there to cap things and harass stuff - keep em relatively cheap.

 

That said because of all of the buffs they get (especially when combined with a Lucius pod for 3+ cover) you can invest in a few more squads than normal, at least until we get our jump pack veterans *fingers crossed*

[m0nolith]

On assault squads, basically what Charlo said. They are going to be hit hard if they are out there by themselves tho so make sure you spend some points on apothecaries if you can and back them up with a dread drop pod or two, or maybe even a Dreadclaw loaded with Termies.

Personally im sending in a decked out Leviathan with them. Even if the squads are kept small, a Levi, 2 squads, an apothecary + Praetor, thats 1k points at the enemy's throat on turn one. It can be pretty brutal if you can survive the counter fire.

[Blindhamster]

Biggest issue is how unreliable deep striking is for them. It isn't like 40k where we can make good use of the reduced scatter. Damocles rhino with it?

[m0nolith]

Damocles has been mentioned in several BA tactics threads.

Havent tried it personally, but some things are obvious.

Edited August 24, 2016 by m0nolith

[Charlo]

Damocles, a recon squad with nuncio, other sources like that exist.

 

No scatter DS isn't too hard to get in the Heresy!

[CaptainHelion]

I've been a firm proponent of Nuncio recon teams for safe Deep Strike for a while now. Infiltrate and Scout them somewhere where you can DS the Assault Squads first turn. Aim for somewhere they can either move into cover or set up some assault options.

[Charlo]

135pts gets you 5 dudes with Camo and a nuncio vox. Maybe add in a combi for opportunity cost?

 

You can pop these where you like and just go to ground if you don't get first turn and then call in the Angels/ Leviathans/ Dreadclaw Terminators....

 

It's ridiculous that the camo is a meltabomb per marine....

[Blindhamster]

Umm. They can't go to ground due to being blood angels.

[Charlo]

Oh, of course!

 

Well then maybe invest in some shooting upgrades or a few more numbers!

[Terminus]

Or just take an outrider squad with an attached character with a nuncio.

[Slips]

Like a Siege Breaker or Forge Lord who can have Nuncio's regardless of any other gear they take whilst not being limited like, say, the Master of Signal.

[Blindhamster]

I've got a game in a week 6k points (allied with 6k of iron hands!) And plan to use the day of revelations with thunderhawk, hence all the queries!

[Charlo]

 

Like a Siege Breaker or Forge Lord who can have Nuncio's regardless of any other gear they take whilst not being limited like, say, the Master of Signal.

 

Not a bad idea and comparable in points to the Recon Squad!

 

I was about to say that it would be personally my 3rd HQ slot filled (after Preator and Damocles) and I want a siege breaker too for Phosphex Quads... But putting him on a bike wastes the tank hunting aspect of his buffs... But I suppose with this I wouldn't even need a damocles, so could take a Forge Lord who has the benefit of rad nades to make that outrider squad even more awesome (hidden Axes wounding on 2+).

 

AND he could take some cortex buddies as well :o

 

If only Thrallax got the buffs from Day of Revelation, Jet Pack infantry and not Jump :(

 

Me gusta.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Charlo

[CaptainHelion]

Axes are already wounding on 2+s for BA! Unless you're talking about against other bikes, in which case the rad grenades would work brilliantly.

[Charlo]

Forgot the Axes were +1S for some inane reason 

 

Well hey then some swords will and at +1I ;) thin the herd before they strike back.

 

Honestly I just need Sanguinius' rules so I can use a LoW in my lists... Sure I could use a Storm Bird or Thunderhawk but, no :P

[Terminus]

I am continually conflicted whether to go swords or axes with units like Assault Squads or Outriders. +1 to wound for a effective S6 Ap2 sounds nice, but so does swinging before they do.  These units would ideally avoid nasties like Terminators and artificer combat squads (who mince them in short order), and would rather bully other power armor, but sometimes it's unavoidable.  I will probably end up doing 1 of each (fist, axe, sword) for all my units just for variety.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Terminus

[Charlo]

Aye - I think even with the extra initiative a Sarge should usually go for an Axe too, killing the inevitable enemy 2+ Sarge in a challenge easier is just great.

[Slips]

Id probably still stick to a fist on the sarge to negate FNP especially now that they can be slapped onto pretty much any squad out there.

 

A single 5++ from a combat shield (in the event of assault on assault) is better than 5++/5+++ or the difference between no save and a 5+++ when invulns arent in play.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Charlo]

That is a better point. A shame to ignore the BA rules, but truth.

 

Though I suppose wounding Castellax on 2+ is GNARLY.

[CaptainHelion]

It's important to not get caught in the trap of "Gotta Use The Special Rules Always". Yes, it's important to utilise what we are essentially paying for, but bringing the appropriate tools to the table will also always be important.

Plus, power fists are fething Bad. Ass.

[Charlo]

It's okay, there will be no need when our special SG unit comes out with AP2 at Initiative Glaives ;)

[Terminus]

It's important to not get caught in the trap of "Gotta Use The Special Rules Always". Yes, it's important to utilise what we are essentially paying for, but bringing the appropriate tools to the table will also always be important.

Plus, power fists are fething Bad. Ass.

This is the mistake Emperor's Children players make all the time and shove phoenix spears everywhere.