[HH1.0] Blood Angels Tactica - Assault Cannons For Days

[Charlo]

The next book after prospero is heavily hinted to be called "Angelus" internally and will cover the BA/DA and some unknown conflicts that they have had post Imperium Secondus (and bits on Signus/ Thramas).

 

But FW have also said that they are eager to finish off the Calth story and Shadow Crusade, so it could equally be the next book too with all manner of unknown goods.

 

I imagine we'll know at the next weekender, when Inferno is out and they are previewing the next.

[Gorgoff]

When is the next weekender?

[Charlo]

No exact date, but February :)

 

Which is still a ways to wait for Inferno, let alone book 8 or 9!

 

But the Heresy train has NO breaks.

[m0nolith]

With the release of Prospero, id like to ask the question:

Tartaros Terminators; How to equip them.

 

Im thinking of running 10 with Lightning Claws, teleportating them in a Orbital Assault force at 3k.

[CaptainHelion]

It's certainly tempting. And potentially hilarious. Though, there is a temptation to put a little firepower into the unit. It's one heavy per five bodies, right? That'd give you a pair of assault cannons if you wanted...

[Theredknight]

Guys I'm stuck!!

I have 2 15 man assault squads I'm assembling (with bling)

What's the best way of equipping them, 2 swords one axe, sarge with fist, shield and arty?

 

Thinking I'd do another 10 man with shields and mb at some point

[Charlo]

You've pretty much got it there.

 

Axes are hidden so it doesn't really matter about initiative. If you have an apothecary your sarge has a great chance at survival against other sarges with an axe (5++/5+++).

 

I think Meltabombs are a trap, personally. Lots of points on still just marine bodies.

 

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On Tartaros... LC are certainly rule of cool, but you NEED TDA in the heresy to be rocking other TDA and heavy units. Other than crazy world eater blobs you'll probably just totally murder a PA unit then get shot up. There is no shortage of PA murder in the heresy.

[Theredknight]

How about an inferno hit squad? 3 inferno pistols dropping behind the lines?

Or do we not think that is a very good anti armour unit?

 

Of course obligatory apothecaries included in those assault squads.

[Charlo]

Paying all those points for 15 assault marines just to get 3, 3" range Metla weapons seems like a terrible investment :P

 

Better off podding a Contemptor Cortus with two Grav Guns and a Chainfist, or a Melta Set-up Leviathan, or Outflanking Javelins... 

[Theredknight]

Yes, I was just thinking of ways of using assault marines to the max.

I think you can have to much of a good thing through, 2 units of 15 for troops should be enough? Third gives you objective capturing options..so that's 45 PA bodies as a base.

I have assembled my cortus claw, all with 2 grav and c fist.

I also have a fire raptor and my praetor assembled.

Oh and one speeder missile one.

Have a dreadpod and Levi to do, and a Damocles.

I am just looking at a massive bunch of assault marines I think that's the best way to assemble to begin with.

So happening, I want to assemble them all then have a massed airbrushing sesh

Edited November 8, 2016 by Theredknight

[Charlo]

Assault marines are good - but they aren't the be all and end all. They work nicely because they arrive T1 in DoR. Keep them equipped for assault and ruin your opponents squishier units and backfield.

 

Oh and park them behind the Leviathan's Dread Pod for 3+ Cover saves :P

[Theredknight]

Yes, being supported by baals and possibly a baalcador or two gives me a hammer and anvil effect.

 

So as my base I have 2 choppy jp units and praetor to spank bottoms.

 

Dreads will be good and the Reston hoping will mesh in. Il play with some lists

Edited November 8, 2016 by Theredknight

[Theredknight]

Ok,

 

Thinkniv decided on a list, let me know if you spot any glaring errors here.

Iv got for an in your face list cus-blood angels reasons.

My idea is, assuming Damocles survives, 24"no scatter, drops in breachers or vets with nuncio (do you measure no scatter from a pod base or have to be deployed btw, I'm confused now)

Next thing is dreadpod, with Levi, then assault marines behind that.

Temptors overcharge and run up or if they can strip hull points, do that.

Following turn hopefully sees fire raptor and other anvillus arrive.

 

In your face and eating your flesh t2/3

 

Here it is:

 

 

Blood angels 3k day of rev

 

Praetor (kitted out to suit)

Damocles rhino

 

15 man assault squad, sprinkled with power weapons, sarge kitted with fist, shield and arty armour.

 

15 man assault squad, sprinkled with power weapons, sarge kitted with fist, shield and arty armour.

 

10 man breacher squad (nuncio etc, flamers)

 

Contemptor cortus talon

3x chain fist, 2 grav guns each

 

2 jumpotheries (swords)

 

10 veterans 5 power weapons mb furious charge

 

2 anvillus pods (one for vets, one for breachers)

 

Fire raptor gunship

 

Leviathan grav flux, phosphex, assault cannon nips. with dreadpod

[Terminus]

Why are Breachers in this list, you already have two troops.

 

List almost completely lacking in anti-armor too. Contemptors will take 3 turns getting somewhere while the levy is built for anti-elite.

Edited November 13, 2016 by Terminus

[Theredknight]

Take and hold objectives was my idea and rule of cool.

Your alternative suggestions?

 

Having used cortus temptors before, they are usually up in combat t2/3 at latest. But stripping hull points at the start

Edited November 13, 2016 by Theredknight

[Charlo]

Furious charge isn't an option for vets anymore, its WS5 now.

 

I feel like they're a waste of points if i'm honest - anything they fight the assault squads will do just fine against too.

 

Breachers are rule of cool, which is nice, but they won't find too much of a niche unless they are charged by other Astartes who have no combat bonus, so you can wear them down with +1 to wound etc.

 

Maybe take those and the vets out but pot the Cortus in the Dreadclaws? Then you've got some solid T1 podding, another dread in reserve and points to take some meaty firepower in HS.

[Theredknight]

I shall play with the list, you get the idea I'm after.

I'd take destroyers but so costly!!

Terminators?

[Charlo]

Terminators are great. They don't really gain anything from being BA though at the moment.

 

Sure your power axes wound on a 2+, but against most enemy terminators you'll wish you had a fist for ID. Unwieldy means you will waste the +1I.

 

You could go for some LC Tartaros/ Cataphracti to murder any and all power armour they touch, but your assault Marines will probably already do that well enough!

[Theredknight]

Yes, enough anti power armour in there..

I'm not really sure what can fit into the list that gives the AP values. Reconfigure the leviathan? Two seems a bit..win button to me

[Theredknight]

Ok so how about chopping the breachers and vets out, replace with 10 man melta or plasma squad goes in anvillus. Either that or a 10 man assault cannon squad for..reasons.

 

Change Levi to melta lance and drill.

 

Two cortus foot slog, the other one seperate now pods in. So t1 podding would be Levi and cortus,followed by whatever squad and fire raptor.

 

Trying to keep a theme, but also play well. That better?

[Blindhamster]

How about some land speeders with multi melta or similar?

 

And give the leviathan a Melta Lance.

 

Drop the bleachers to pay for speeders

 

Swap out stuff on vets, throw tank hunter on them and a lascannon/Melta gun or something like that.

[ThatOneMarshal]

I would still try to get some pods on those contemptors just so you can pop any transports hat will give your jump marines trouble. Also applies much more pressure.

[Theredknight]

so it's sort of going back to the original listed weeks ago of dreads podding and assault marines jumping in.

 

Is that the only way to play this rite of war really?

I'm looking at what I have, and trying to make use of them.

 

I have a javelin, seen a lot of normal speeders are they better now?

[Charlo]

Javelins are insanely good for the cost. Like super good.

 

And yeah, after your Jump dudes and jump HQ plus something fast and floaty in Fast attack, do remember that your army comp is pretty much open from that point.

 

One cool thing you can do by giving the contemptors dread pods is create a wall of cover for your assault Marines. A good 3+ wall of cover.

[nightwrench]

After my legion multiple personality disorder has been finally straitened out I decided on BA.  Main reason?  Red doesn't show the blood and Fear to Tread is a really good book.  I really hope BA get a rule where super heavy fliers arrive turn 1 :)  

 

The other reason the 10 jump pack destroyers I have are being painted to hit the table.  In DoR is 10 to many with the attach dbl inferno pistol Moritat?  I am planning a Cortus in a dreadpod and a levi in the other.  What to do for the third pod?  I am considering another Cortus or terms.  

 

Thanks,