MakoBoy88 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hiya, sorry if this is covered somewhere else, or should be in another topic, so feel free to move it about. Question i have is based on the limitations a player places on himself for the purposes of fluff, and then how can you balm the hurt when it all goes wrong. For example (And this isnt a 'Which Legion Should i do post' Dont worry), i am struggling with choosing my second 30k venture having had some roaring success with Iron Hands earlier this year. The things that i find limiting, are the fluff shackles. So for example, i would love a Dark Angels army, but i cant seem to convince myself let alone others that 'Such a small force comparitively' of Dark Angels could have come with Sanguinius and defended the Walls of Terra. Because i dont want my army to be left out when my local meta plays out the events of the solar war. I also would like my choice of Legion (One i plan to stick to for the next few years plus given how much time and effort goes into these armies), to have allies in an allied Forge world, Knight House, Solar Auxilia contingent etc etc. Maybe i am just rubbish at making up fluff? But dont want to find my Army invalidated by fluff. If this makes no sense i am sorry, choosing a Legion is actually causing lack of sleep haha. All the best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 when the fluff shackles you it stops playing its part it is supposed to motivate and lure you into 40k not restrain your creativity. The point is balance, don't put anachronical things like grav centurions but don't be a puritan either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylifter Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I can completely understand you. With paint scheme, rules, and fluff all being important for selecting what you want, and considering you cannot just make your own legion in 30K (as opposed to 40k, where you could), choosing a legion would be really tough for me. I think you could do one of two things: a.) Create the fluff you need. I don't think it is completely unreasonable to believe there could have been a company of Dark Angels at the siege of Terra. They aren't mentioned in the fluff, but it is possible. b.) Choose your army based on fluff. So you want them to be at the siege of Terra, so you can choose between Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and White Scars... was the Raven Guard there? I'm not sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 It's a big galaxy, anything is possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Skylifter hits the nail on the head. It's a big galaxy, with big Legions. Terra's a big planet. Lots of unlikely things can happen, so make the fluff you need. One of my very first projects (long since abandoned) was coming up with a bunch of fluff for a Company of Terran XIX Legion who got utterly ROFLstomped at the Siege of Terra. Hyaenidae (who, sadly, is not as active as he used to be) had Traitor Catholic Iron Warriors and the Firstborn, the very first of the Legions. Athrawes created an entirely reasonable backstory for the II Legion (not saying he's the only one, mind you, but he's probably the best known of anyone who did.)Look at any of the narrative projects on this forum. In Memoriam, the Fall of Seraph, Fury and Zeal, et cetera. They all stretch the fluff that FW and Black Library present us with, and at times, forge into entirely unknown territory. In essence, forge the narrative, brother. They're your guys. Do whatever you think is cool, and simply don't give a :cuss: what others think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I can completely understand you. With paint scheme, rules, and fluff all being important for selecting what you want, and considering you cannot just make your own legion in 30K (as opposed to 40k, where you could), choosing a legion would be really tough for me. I think you could do one of two things: a.) Create the fluff you need. I don't think it is completely unreasonable to believe there could have been a company of Dark Angels at the siege of Terra. They aren't mentioned in the fluff, but it is possible. b.) Choose your army based on fluff. So you want them to be at the siege of Terra, so you can choose between Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and White Scars... was the Raven Guard there? I'm not sure. In regards to not bein able to make your own legion, isn't that what the shattered legions, black shields, II legion and XI legion are for. I say with the two missing legions its expected to create your own legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I can completely understand you. With paint scheme, rules, and fluff all being important for selecting what you want, and considering you cannot just make your own legion in 30K (as opposed to 40k, where you could), choosing a legion would be really tough for me. I think you could do one of two things: a.) Create the fluff you need. I don't think it is completely unreasonable to believe there could have been a company of Dark Angels at the siege of Terra. They aren't mentioned in the fluff, but it is possible. b.) Choose your army based on fluff. So you want them to be at the siege of Terra, so you can choose between Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and White Scars... was the Raven Guard there? I'm not sure. In regards to not bein able to make your own legion, isn't that what the shattered legions, black shields, II legion and XI legion are for. I say with the two missing legions its expected to create your own legion. That's also what Games Workshop used to say :) Remember that Forge World have provided rules for generic legions, so you don't have to make too many efforts creating your own legion (you can also go check out the Brotherhood of the Lost if you are interested in alternative legions, in the special projects section :) => shameless publicity :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I totally understand, for me myself I often torture myself to an extreme degree about fluffbased issues, case and point I was thinking of tearing up my old IF just for having what I considered to be the wrong mark bolters even tho umbra pattern was totally possible and likely to be used by some Fists! It can be hard when (like me) you are such a puritanical fluff nazi, and I empathise with you mate. As for a solution, I think the above already mentioned are all so true. I am in a similar boat ATM, pm me if ya wanna chat about it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Boys that's a fantastic response and really reaffirmed my faith in the community. After a big long chat with a friend of mine, the models and rules I really want are Space Wolves. So. I'm going to do them I think, and I will do the burning of Prospero and love it, and then keep a small force to use on Terra as I know some were sent there to watch Dorn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I always approve of more Wolves. Just commenting to agree with what other folks are saying, there is lots of room to make things your own. Also I'm trying REALLY hard not to post a pic of fuzzy handcuffs in resonse to "fluff shackles". Just sayin... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4299888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Oh you can post that if you like mate ;) Great. I'm glad :) now just how to make a Wolf force between now and November. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 There would be no need to re-fight the Emperor vs Horus if you were a slave to the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The only shackles keeping you from doing what you want with your own figures are created by you. Break those chains, brother. Free yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqualine47 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ready-made fluff for you: Your Dark Angels contingent were part of the Crusader Host left on Terra. Bam, Dark Angels at the Battle of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmacht Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Chances are they'll make it so that every loyalist legion is at the siege of terra in some way so that they can make sure everyone buys the books and miniatures that are released in that time and play it. So you can make your Dark Angels and they'll be at the Siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Another option is this. Your dark Angels were sent with Sanguinius as an "honor company" to strike out through the ruin storm with Sanguinius to see if Terra still stood firm. As lord protector of Imperium Secundus the Lion himself could not take part in Sanguinius's venture, so he sent a veteran contingent lead by Praetor *insert name here* to serve Sanguinius in the Lions stead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The only shackles keeping you from doing what you want with your own figures are created by you. Break those chains, brother. Free yourself. This times a million. Especially since nowadays there are very few instances in which there is a definitive "these are the only players" restriction. Relative to the setting's size at any rate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Having had the evening to mull it over and the night to sleep on it I have decided to focus the next year and a bit to a wolf force, primarily the assault on Prospero. This will then lead to a splinter of my army being repurposed as the Pack sent to watch Dorn by Russ and Malcador, allying to a much larger Dark Angels force present on Terra. Fluff and project log coming soon ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hiya, sorry if this is covered somewhere else, or should be in another topic, so feel free to move it about. Question i have is based on the limitations a player places on himself for the purposes of fluff, and then how can you balm the hurt when it all goes wrong. For example (And this isnt a 'Which Legion Should i do post' Dont worry), i am struggling with choosing my second 30k venture having had some roaring success with Iron Hands earlier this year. The things that i find limiting, are the fluff shackles. So for example, i would love a Dark Angels army, but i cant seem to convince myself let alone others that 'Such a small force comparitively' of Dark Angels could have come with Sanguinius and defended the Walls of Terra. Because i dont want my army to be left out when my local meta plays out the events of the solar war. I also would like my choice of Legion (One i plan to stick to for the next few years plus given how much time and effort goes into these armies), to have allies in an allied Forge world, Knight House, Solar Auxilia contingent etc etc. Maybe i am just rubbish at making up fluff? But dont want to find my Army invalidated by fluff. If this makes no sense i am sorry, choosing a Legion is actually causing lack of sleep haha. All the best. Maybe a company of DA got commandeered by Dorn to aid in the defence, due to them just happening to be in the area. Who knows, maybe their ship is at the terran spacedocks, having their warp drive fixed or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Almost every new book shoehorns in at least a single marine from a random Legion as "just being there" Paramarr - Random Iron Warriors fleet Al v SW - Saved by random DA Deathstar Geryon's Deep - Random Salamanders Various Forts - Random Fist Garrisons Everywhere - Alpha Legion Legions didn't travel as one entity, there were spread thinly. You could easily have an entire battle-company of Dark Angels chillaxing near/on Terra. I'm pretty sure a lot of Legions had recruiting stations on Terra, though I'm unsure for how long, in Scars each Legion had instructors to pick up generally trained recruits to undergo Legion specific training. You could then easily explain how a small force of Dark Angels is supported by a Miliitia or Auxilia force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318973-fluff-shackles/#findComment-4300431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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