Khornestar Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Since everyone's excited about Shattered Legions and Black Shields, I was hopeful that there's some excitement for Armies of Dark Compliance. Here are the rules, in case you missed them: (larger format here) http://i.imgur.com/3dPEFxhh.jpg I'm excited because I have a pretty insane amount of Cultists (~180) to use as 40k renegade guardsmen, and they will be perfect for Inducted Levy squads in 30k. Previously, I found the Militia/Cults list pretty boring, but mixing in some Astartes elements will make them far more exciting! I was very disappointed that M/C only had access to the Baneblade itself and no variants (I love the Stormlord), and now FINALLY this heretic can put together my Stormlord since Astartes can take them. The primary motivation for pursuing this army is the minimal purchases I'll have to make. I already have lots of Renegade => Militia models, so adding a few units from the Word Bearers will spice things up. Been holding off on assembling my Fire Raptor for years now due to boredom with my CSM, but I think this will be the time to include it in my army. A few HQ characters to convert, some Gal Vorbak, maybe a Deredeo, possibly a unit of Veterans should be all the resin I'd need to make this a real army. I guess if you think about it, it's sort of a 30k version of a CSM army. But this time, we can still use all the fancy loyalist toys because we didn't forget where we put them 10,000 years later. At this juncture only Word Bearers made sense for that purpose. An allied detachment of Daemons will be the icing on the cake. Pure Khorne, of course . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yep - think the list variants will work great for: - Word Bearers leading a Chaos Cult - basically similiar to the old EoT Lost and the Damned list - Sons of Horus with Davinite Priests and Warriors - Alpha Legion and agents - Emperors Children leading a pleasure cult force (like their appeareance in Angel Exterminatus) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I've already brainstormed a force for around ~3k points, bearing in mind costings won't add up yet as I don't have the latest rules. Very exciting: HQ World Eater Gahlan Suk apothecary person 2x World Eater Despoilers loaded in Phobos LRs 1x Storm Eagle loaded with Red Butchers 2x Apocs for Despoilers 2x Inducted Levies with CC weapons & explosion collars 1x Force Commander, Abhuman Zealot & Tainted Flesh 1x Warhound Scout TItan Now my problem is, where to get 100 lobotomised madmen for the levies :| Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 I was sorta sketched out by the Tainted Flesh provenance while making my plans. The wording didn't take this army list into account, but it says: The only HQ choices the detachment can take are the Force Commander and Rogue Psyker entries. Which sucks, because I really want rending hordes! Not sure if/how we can get around that. Rending hordes are awesome, but without an Astartes HQ it feels like the whole purpose is defeated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 So, would a WB AoDC need to ake an extra Chaplain or Centurion? o.Ô Not sure on the wording... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 This looks tasty! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 So, would a WB AoDC need to ake an extra Chaplain or Centurion? o.Ô Not sure on the wording... Yeah I'd think so, but their Legiones Astartes rule doesn't say the first HQ choice has to be from the WB, only that a 2nd one is required for the list and it has to be Chap/Centurion. Seems like a pretty good way to get the Force Commander and the WB leader in the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Question regarding iron warriors. In 40k the iw made extensive use of slaves as cannon fodder. Did they do so in 30k? If I recall correctly, perturabo said that everything is a resource. Would this be easily used to represent that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Question regarding iron warriors. In 40k the iw made extensive use of slaves as cannon fodder. Did they do so in 30k? If I recall correctly, perturabo said that everything is a resource. Would this be easily used to represent that? Inducted levies for daaaaays, brother. And yes, the Iron Warriors used slaves in 30k. Very much so. Even more after Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 You could shoot slaves out of your artillery guns if you run out of shells :P. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4300964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Am I missing something? Is it basically just a cover save provided for astartes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Am I missing something? Is it basically just a cover save provided for astartes? meat-shields! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Doh I am silly, you can take the militia bonuses AND get the militia bonus's. I retract my statement. And now I shall find some to cavort in front of fulgrim and co Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Since everyone's excited about Shattered Legions and Black Shields, I was hopeful that there's some excitement for Armies of Dark Compliance. Here are the rules, in case you missed them: (larger format here) http://i.imgur.com/3dPEFxhh.jpg I'm excited because I have a pretty insane amount of Cultists (~180) to use as 40k renegade guardsmen, and they will be perfect for Inducted Levy squads in 30k. Previously, I found the Militia/Cults list pretty boring, but mixing in some Astartes elements will make them far more exciting! I was very disappointed that M/C only had access to the Baneblade itself and no variants (I love the Stormlord), and now FINALLY this heretic can put together my Stormlord since Astartes can take them. The primary motivation for pursuing this army is the minimal purchases I'll have to make. I already have lots of Renegade => Militia models, so adding a few units from the Word Bearers will spice things up. Been holding off on assembling my Fire Raptor for years now due to boredom with my CSM, but I think this will be the time to include it in my army. A few HQ characters to convert, some Gal Vorbak, maybe a Deredeo, possibly a unit of Veterans should be all the resin I'd need to make this a real army. I guess if you think about it, it's sort of a 30k version of a CSM army. But this time, we can still use all the fancy loyalist toys because we didn't forget where we put them 10,000 years later. At this juncture only Word Bearers made sense for that purpose. An allied detachment of Daemons will be the icing on the cake. Pure Khorne, of course . since the militia is of the same faction as the solar auxilia can't you pick superheavies from that list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resonance Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Which book are the cults and militia list in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Am I missing something? Is it basically just a cover save provided for astartes? Cover save PLUS negation of AP value. The latter part is huge. It means fleshy meatbags can soak up plasma and lascannons designed to kill your expensive units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The thing is, the unit takes wounds whether you save or not... So even if you roll 3- on that save and lose a marine, you still take 1d3 hits on the militia unit. Still worth the cost, but not as OP as you seem to make it sound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I have lots of Warhammer ghouls I was intending on using as cultist fodder, seems a good time to mount them on round bases and get them into the heresy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Void Shield Generator + Defense Line + Cultist Fodder Sounds so nice. With any luck, rolling Shrouded will sweeten the deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boater Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Could you do this with declared trator black shields? Might make a really cool army where the black shields took control of some imperial army elements... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Not sure, to be honest. All I know about is the page in the OP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFox Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 It says you must take a praetor or a centurion as the army warlord, so I guess that means you cant most named characters.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 since the militia is of the same faction as the solar auxilia can't you pick superheavies from that list? They have different options for superheavies. Militia gets the Baneblade and Stormhammer. Not terrible choices, but would have been cool to have access to more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The thing is, the unit takes wounds whether you save or not... So even if you roll 3- on that save and lose a marine, you still take 1d3 hits on the militia unit. Still worth the cost, but not as OP as you seem to make it sound. Ahh damn it, I thought it was the militia took the entire hit. So only the militia eats the AP vaue, terminators will still take hits at AP2 from plasma if they fail their cover save? :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid_O Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Am I missing something? Is it basically just a cover save provided for astartes? Cover save PLUS negation of AP value. The latter part is huge. It means fleshy meatbags can soak up plasma and lascannons designed to kill your expensive units. I'm pretty sure that you're reading it incorrectly. The wounds suffered by the militia unit don't have any AP value, not the wounds suffered by the Marine unit gaining the cover save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/#findComment-4301730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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