God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The thing is, the unit takes wounds whether you save or not... So even if you roll 3- on that save and lose a marine, you still take 1d3 hits on the militia unit. Still worth the cost, but not as OP as you seem to make it sound. Ahh damn it, I thought it was the militia took the entire hit. So only the militia eats the AP vaue, terminators will still take hits at AP2 from plasma if they fail their cover save? Am I missing something? Is it basically just a cover save provided for astartes? Cover save PLUS negation of AP value. The latter part is huge. It means fleshy meatbags can soak up plasma and lascannons designed to kill your expensive units. I'm pretty sure that you're reading it incorrectly. The wounds suffered by the militia unit don't have any AP value, not the wounds suffered by the Marine unit gaining the cover save. Yah, I was, apologies. Only the militia nom the AP :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Well, +1 cover save is still pretty dang good. At 2 points a wound from the d3, doesn't seem like a huge deal. *edit*Something I'm looking forward to: Dakkabox Stormlord + Space Marine Crew with 10 embarked Lascannon or Autocannon Militia Weapon Teams near an Ammunition Dump. Sooo much dakka. http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fry_drooling.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Well, +1 cover save is still pretty dang good. At 2 points a wound from the d3, doesn't seem like a huge deal. *edit* Something I'm looking forward to: Dakkabox Stormlord + Space Marine Crew with 10 embarked Lascannon or Autocannon Militia Weapon Teams near an Ammunition Dump. Sooo much dakka. http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fry_drooling.gif The possibilities are making me explode with squee, they really are. It seems like such a huge pro for playing traitors too! All Glory to the Warmaster! I will still use the cover save. After all, you're not buying Inducted Levies to actually contribute anything but their death right? Right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Sadly no Stormlords for Legiones Astartes. They were updated as per the Solar Auxilia rules for 30k use, so not a legal option to pick up as the rules for back compatability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Meh, I'm still gonna use one. *edit*Just try to stop me! As I'm at school I don't have my books with me. Do you know what the wording/rule is that prevents LA armies from taking a STormblade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 On the cover save thing...If you take the cover save you have already gone past the point of the enemy's AP mattering to their initial target... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4301999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just checked the Crusade army list rules and yeah, looks like I can't take the Stormlord after all... It's funny, really. HH games allow you to play your army virtually however you want, and the one thing I want to do isn't possible. Why can't we have the nice toys? Just because I want to rip the emperor out of the corpse throne and piddle on the dried out old husk? Anyway, now I dunno. That one thing is basically what made me want to play this army, sorta feel gutted now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4302465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just checked the Crusade army list rules and yeah, looks like I can't take the Stormlord after all... It's funny, really. HH games allow you to play your army virtually however you want, and the one thing I want to do isn't possible. Why can't we have the nice toys? Just because I want to rip the emperor out of the corpse throne and piddle on the dried out old husk? Anyway, now I dunno. That one thing is basically what made me want to play this army, sorta feel gutted now. It isn't 40k brother, that sort of unbound shenanigans belongs where it is, and I do hope it doesn't pollute the last bastion of hobby which I enjoy. We have loads of toys to play with! Take an allied detachment with it? Failing that, there's plenty of other war machines to choose from!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4302765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boater Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 @Venomlust: Why cant you? From: LA Crusade Army List, Pg. 9: "Using Imperial units from other Forge World Books in Horus Heresy Games... ...it is perfectly acceptable to use specific Imperial super-heavy vehicles and flyers from Forge World's wider Imperial Armour range such as Imperial Armour: Apocalypse..." Stormlord is in Imperial Armour: Apocalypse II, IIRC. It even goes further on the cost to give them space marine crew. Should be good to use it as far as I can see. Just don't play it against "That Guy" Edit: DISREGARD, Apparently I didn't read far enough... It would seem that you cant, which is odd. Personally though Id take one anyway due to there being a precedent in that it was originally part of the army list. Just don't take it to any tournaments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4302892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Several reasons. Firstly; Imperial Armour Apocalypse series has since been updated. Secondly; The Stormlord rules have been updated in 40k in the Apocalypse rulebook Thirdly; the Stormlord has been updated to HH ruleset; it is in Book IV. I certainly wouldn't have a problem playing against it despite that, however. because in a tournament or more serious setting, you should have agreed it with the Organisers, whike in a friendly, you can just ask 'is it cool if i do X'. However what you shouldn't do is automatically assume a houserule is in place, and on things which are not explicit (especially given the vagaries; check my sig for how badly written it is, even by FW's standard) or called out as being 'ask before' it is just good form to ask your opponent. Tacitly just ignoring that is frankly kind of rude, and saying 'i don't care what the rules say or your opinion, i'm just here to enjoy it for myself', which is just as rude as someone saying 'no we play by RAW only', and sets a bad tine for the game. It is worth not being 'that guy' on all fronts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4302904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boater Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Oh you should always ask, as well as show your list to your opponent. That's only fair and keeps with the good nature. But that's not to say that you should just not write one into your list because "someone might not want to play against it." If its just friendly games, that's not really a big deal to go: "or sorry you don't want to play against this part of my list, lets adjust points, or I can adjust my list for (insert various reason here)" My advise still stands. Write a list with one knowing that you wont take it to tournaments. If someone has a problem with it adjust fire, and have fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This list could be used in a really cool way to showcase the Auxilia forces for the Legions. Want a Thorakite Auxilia force? Use an Army of Dark Compliance list with Grenadiers, Quad-mortar rapiers, Artillery Batteries & Gorgon transports in the same army as your Iron Warriors. Kinda a shame there isn't a Loyalist equivalent - I'd love to see Xth Legion Chainveil armies or Space Wolves Kaerl divisions. I really hope that if the rumoured mid-tear (between SA & Imperialis Militia) Imperial Army list is ever released that there'll be a similar AoD Theme to this representing the Legions & their Auxilia forces. With Prosperine Spireguard appearing in Inferno, this might actually be a possibility - maybe utilising adjustments similar to Provenances specific to each Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Could always just magnetize the variants as I originally planned to do. Doubt my buddies would care that much, since I don't really play strangers these days (for better or worse). It's not really an Unbound thing whatsoever, IMO. The army list exists specifically to mix LA and militia. The vast majority of combinations are possible. It was just frustrating because the Stormlord is one of my favorite vehicles in the universe, but I haven't been able to use it because I refuse to play as loyalists, even in a counts-as setting, and buying an Auxilia army isn't gonna happen :P. For a second there, thought it finally happened, but it was snatched away from me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Solar Auxilia are traitors too. Just play them as your Prkmary Detachment. Bear in mind that FW have a stupid insistance on not having Allies ride in other allies transports. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Right, that is possible, but they are just way too expensive to me. Militia is good because I can mostly use models in my collection already. The models riding in transport thing due to being in the same army is half the point, really. Would rather just use it in the dark compliance list (or not, whatever) and have a daemons allied detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This list could be used in a really cool way to showcase the Auxilia forces for the Legions. Want a Thorakite Auxilia force? Use an Army of Dark Compliance list with Grenadiers, Quad-mortar rapiers, Artillery Batteries & Gorgon transports in the same army as your Iron Warriors. Kinda a shame there isn't a Loyalist equivalent - I'd love to see Xth Legion Chainveil armies or Space Wolves Kaerl divisions. I really hope that if the rumoured mid-tear (between SA & Imperialis Militia) Imperial Army list is ever released that there'll be a similar AoD Theme to this representing the Legions & their Auxilia forces. With Prosperine Spireguard appearing in Inferno, this might actually be a possibility - maybe utilising adjustments similar to Provenances specific to each Legion. That's a solid point, not having a Loyalist equivalent is naff and doesn't make sense. Instead of The Warmasters Due you could have The Imperial Obligation which gives some sort of buff bubble to auxilia or legion forces, respresenting their duty to the Emperor etc Expendable rule can be replaced with Forlorn Hope etc Oh such missed opportunity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think Auxilia or Militia would have made perfect sense, for either traitors or loyalists. There were so many armies in the fray. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319020-you-will-kneel-armies-of-dark-compliance-thread/page/2/#findComment-4303258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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