Satarin Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I am toying around with the below two lists using the new ROW and wanted some feedback of which list do you think is better or improvements to the below lists, I am going to an event and want to have a list that can hold its own by having no glaring weaknesses,Fluffy but not be Cheese as i prefer a hard won game then having no contest. HQ Legion Praetor (185pts) – ROW Ironwing Protocol Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Digital Lasers, Master of the Legion, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade Legion Librarian (125pts) – (Rolling on Divination for Prescience) Artificer Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 2 TROOPS Legion Tactical Squad (230pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Combat Blade, Legion Tactical Sergeant - Melta Bombs, Calibinite War Blade Legion Tactical Squad (230pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Combat Blade, Legion Tactical Sergeant - Melta Bombs, Calibinite War Blade Legion Tactical Support Squad (330pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion Sergeant, 8x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns ELITES Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (185pts) Two Twin-linked Lascannons Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (185pts) Two Twin-linked Lascannons Legion Terminator Squad (722pts) Chainfist, 2x Heavy Flamer, Combi Bolters & 5x Calibinite War Blades, 3x Power Fist, Legion Spartan Assault Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Legion Terminator Sergeant – Combi-Melta, Power Fist HEAVY SUPPORT Legion Vindicator Squadron (300pts) 2x Legion Vindicators Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit Total - 2492Pts HQ Legion Praetor (185pts) – ROW Ironwing Protocol Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Digital Lasers, Master of the Legion, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade Legion Librarian (135pts) – (Rolling on Divination for Prescience) Artificer Armour, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field TROOPS Legion Tactical Squad (230pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Combat Blade, Legion Tactical Sergeant - Melta Bombs, Calibinite War Blade Legion Tactical Squad (230pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Combat Blade, Legion Tactical Sergeant - Melta Bombs, Calibinite War Blade Legion Tactical Support Squad (330pts) Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion Sergeant, 8x Legion Space Marines, Plasma Guns ELITES Legion Terminator Squad (727pts) 2x Chainfist, 2x Plasma Blaster, 9x Legion Terminators, 4x Power Fist, 4x Lightning Claws, Legion Spartan Assault Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Legion Terminator Sergeant – Combi-Melta, Lightning Claw LOW Legion Glaive (625pts) Total - 2497Pts Additional Info Ironwing Protocol – Effects Interlocking Fire BS5 on Vehicles taken in units of 2+ Exterminators When shooting within 12” Infantry add +1 to wound firing Pistol, rapid fire, and Salvo Weapons with str 5 or less The Dust of Untold Worlds all “Tank” type vehicles in a automatically ignore the first dangerous terrain test if they fail and may add +1 to flat out moves Goliaths of War all Dreadnoughts have fear and tank hunter Limitations All infantry must begin game in a transport with tank type Atleast half units in army must be tank type vehicles Should all tanks in force be destroyed enemy scores additional secondary objective No fortifications taken Calibinite Warblades - +1Str AP3 Melee Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Both look to be good combinations, and guess it really depends on what's to be expected - will there be much in the way of other LoW choices? I did note that both lists seem to be lacking in anti-tank to an extent - the dread's help in the first list, as do the vindi's (gotta love S10 blasts!) and of the two, I'd probably lean more towards the first list, based on the following assupmtions: 1. From the layout, the squads look to be only 9 man strong - is that just a formatting issue (no book to hand to check points) 2. Is the Libby joining the support squad and the praetor in with the termies? Remember that Cataphractii armour prevents overwatch fire, so you may want to look at standard type. 3. Minimum of half units must be tanks. I count 14 units (incl characters separately) with only 6 tanks in list 1. In list 2 it is 11 units with 5 tanks so you may have a question there. 4. Why not a terranic greatsword or calibanite blade for the praetor? I think the terranic could be a better choice as same strength, but gains instant death. The 2 handed thing isn't an issue as he's in termie armour anyway. To 'improve' I would go for more boots on the ground, as a single round from a Fellblade or Typhon could wipe out a quarter of the force in one shot - those aren't the types of casualties that can be afforded, especially in such a high points army. The terminator squad (and spartan) are accounting for a quarter of the army in one slot, and with D weapons on the table (from the game size) you could be in for some real hurt. If you could, maybe consider using some veteran or seekers or more tactical/support squads in rhino's to present multiple targets (which mitigates the LA:DA enemy units bonus VP's issue) and means that you can either strike in more than one place or be more fluid in actions. I do hope that helps hone the force and I look forward to seeing more of it :) And really hoping that book 6 goes up for release this week :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4301850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarin Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Both look to be good combinations, and guess it really depends on what's to be expected - will there be much in the way of other LoW choices? I did note that both lists seem to be lacking in anti-tank to an extent - the dread's help in the first list, as do the vindi's (gotta love S10 blasts!) and of the two, I'd probably lean more towards the first list, based on the following assupmtions: 1. From the layout, the squads look to be only 9 man strong - is that just a formatting issue (no book to hand to check points) 2. Is the Libby joining the support squad and the praetor in with the termies? Remember that Cataphractii armour prevents overwatch fire, so you may want to look at standard type. 3. Minimum of half units must be tanks. I count 14 units (incl characters separately) with only 6 tanks in list 1. In list 2 it is 11 units with 5 tanks so you may have a question there. 4. Why not a terranic greatsword or calibanite blade for the praetor? I think the terranic could be a better choice as same strength, but gains instant death. The 2 handed thing isn't an issue as he's in termie armour anyway. To 'improve' I would go for more boots on the ground, as a single round from a Fellblade or Typhon could wipe out a quarter of the force in one shot - those aren't the types of casualties that can be afforded, especially in such a high points army. The terminator squad (and spartan) are accounting for a quarter of the army in one slot, and with D weapons on the table (from the game size) you could be in for some real hurt. If you could, maybe consider using some veteran or seekers or more tactical/support squads in rhino's to present multiple targets (which mitigates the LA:DA enemy units bonus VP's issue) and means that you can either strike in more than one place or be more fluid in actions. I do hope that helps hone the force and I look forward to seeing more of it And really hoping that book 6 goes up for release this week Hi Cloud Thanks for the reply, 1. Yes that's just formatting issue from battle scribe 2. Yes both Joining them squads going for Catti as that is what i have Models wise. 3. You raise a good point here i totally forgot that HQ counts as a unit even though they are joining squads. 4. I didn't go for them swords on him as they are only AP3 and i can see this being massive problem in a challenge over a paragon blade AP2 at In* Thanks for the feedback i don't know about the local format as i have never attended or played vs the people at this event before i would probably go for list 1 over list 2 as well due to taking a LOW to a game less then 3k might not win me many friends hah. I will tweek the list to perhaps drop some points and try and fit in some more "Tank Type" maybe fit in another Vindicator for a Squadron of 3 or drop 1 mortis shave a few upgrade points to fit in 2 Dakka Pred's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4302005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Best post this in the Army list section or the DA tactica thread ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4302017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarin Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yes that's my fault will have to get an admin to move it . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4302044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erren Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Actually, I count list 1 as 13 units with 5 units being tank-type vehicles and list 2 as 11 units with 4 tanks. This will come down to the exact wording of the Rite, but a squadron is only 1 unit. And a Super-Heavy Vehicle doesn't have the Tank rule in it's unit description, either. It's actually a very restrictive RoW assuming that's the case, because outside of dedicated transports, you're going to be limited by the maximum of 3 tank units coming from Heavy Support and 1 possible from HQ. Hopefully I'm reading that wrong though, and you get credit for each tank in the squadron and SH non-flying, non-walkers count. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4302082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarin Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Actually, I count list 1 as 13 units with 5 units being tank-type vehicles and list 2 as 11 units with 4 tanks. This will come down to the exact wording of the Rite, but a squadron is only 1 unit. And a Super-Heavy Vehicle doesn't have the Tank rule in it's unit description, either. It's actually a very restrictive RoW assuming that's the case, because outside of dedicated transports, you're going to be limited by the maximum of 3 tank units coming from Heavy Support and 1 possible from HQ. Hopefully I'm reading that wrong though, and you get credit for each tank in the squadron and SH non-flying, non-walkers count. The legion Glaive in book 2 does have the tank type wording in the Description just checked Your right with that wording, you are restricted to only 3 non "tank" slots assuming u fill the heavy slots full. In majority of cases are going to be used up by IC's this is so much more restrictive then I originally thought. Though this does seem to be a direct work against the Interlocking Fire perk in the rite of war i think maybe an email to FW to try and clarify what classes as a single unit for this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4302512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Please dont list individual point costs for upgrades. Forum rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4309360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satarin Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Please dont list individual point costs for upgrades. Forum rules. Appologies Edited them out now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319060-dark-angels-2500-list/#findComment-4309468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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