Xwingt65 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 So I have started brushing up on my Space Wolf Legion lore, and have a question. Is there info anywhere on how the Legion was organized, ie did the Blood Claw/Grey Hunter units exist at the time, or did they follow standard legion squad types? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Wait for the next book. I am sure it will answer those questions. I can't remember whether Prospero Burns or A Thousand Sons used those designations Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I wonder where this sprang from ^.^ No but seriously someone tell me.. TELL MEEEEE!! *Shakes Space Wolf facts out of you* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I wanna say that Battle for the Abyss had the main Wolf dude wailing on a bunch of Blood Claws near the beginning of the book, but I'm not sure that anyone, FW included, wants to acknowledge that BftA exists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Dreadful rubbish that book. I am quite liking recon and seekers coupled with assault marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Collected Visions art books had 'Hunter squads' and 'Fenris Bloods', which sound fairly similar. 'Stalker squads' are also mentioned. There were no Long Fangs, at least by that name, but there were heavy weapon troops and squads with special weapons: there's art of squads with flamers and rotor cannons. I think there might have been a picture or two labelled 'varangei', which is a term Chris Wraight uses for wolf guard in his (40k) SW books. It's not clear how much of this FW will actually hold on to when they put out the Prospero book but it's food for thought. Prospero Burns and Wolf King have no explicit mentions of specific squad types, though the latter does have special Runeguard (twins in bone coloured power armour) to protect the high rune priest. It would also be worth looking at Howl of the Hearthworld, ADB's short story, as it covers legion organisation and shows how the wolves, accurately or inaccurately, match their units up with more standard legion designations. It's tricky to unpick but there was a thread on it in the SW forum if you search. EDIT: All of that is around the time of Prospero, obviously. Pre-reunification with Russ they presumably would have followed the same Terran model as the other legions. Not for long though, he was one of the first found. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 According to forever lore, the Space Wolves Legion originially had 13 Great Companies. How much of that will survive BL/FW treatment remains to be seen. There is an argument for the Legion using the same unit types as the later Chapter still does, since they did not reorganise during the Second Founding. On the other hand, there was some veeery old lore during 1st Edition that stated that the Legion did briefly reorganize according to Codex guidelines, but then were changed again based on Russ' preferences. So perhaps the current unit types are actually wolfified versions of the standard Codex units, and not the very same units the original Legion had been using. "Like the other Chapters the Space Wolves were reorganised after the Horus Heresy according to the Codex Astartes. However, their Primarch, the famous Leman Russ, was never conventional and the Chapter soon adapted to suit its leader's fierce warrior mentality." - 1991 (during 1st Edition) 'Armies of the Imperium' (Space Marine 'Epic' source book), p. 11 That was from three years before the Space Wolves got their own Codex and "current" form in 2nd Edition, however, they had already been given their trademark characteristics in the 'Armies of the Imperium' book, i.e. twelve Great Companies, Grey Hunters, Blood CLaws, Long Fangs, Wolf Guard, the Fang, etc. Edit: So it would actually be allright if BL or FW came up with different unit types for the original Legion. Other than with Ultramarines, where one would have realistically expected them to use the same unit types as the later Chapter... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 Thanks for the answers guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Russ led the legion with an iron hand, most legion markings were destroyed with the introduction if Russ' new legion symbols and signs. This is one of the earliest that was found in the Fang, and soon spread to most legion ships. http://i.imgur.com/hmM3wilm.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Self-quote, because finding the post was quicker than finding the original reference. On pg 160 of the Visions of Heresy, it says the Fenrisians "were organized into their own distinct squads, known as Fenris Bloods and Fenris Hunters," although "they also led some squads of Terran Space Wolves (the Hunter, Claw and Long Fang squads). The officer corps and the elite Wolf Guard were drawn from the ranks of both Terrans and Fenrisians." The only other squad type were the Wulfen Packs, unique to the 13th Great Company, which included Terrans and Fenrisians alike, with no mention on whether one was more prone than the other or not. How close or how far FW will take the Legion from Visions, we don't know yet. But, it's an additional reference for anyone curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4302474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think what I will take away from this is Veteran Tacticals as Grey Hunters Tacticals with Chainsword and Pistol as Blood Claws And don't hold my breath? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4303332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think the HH weekender leaks stated that there should be some unique units and consuls for the wolves (unique units as opposed to specific legion units if you see what I mean) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4303774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Please explain that distinction. Do you mean that the VI Legion has only one copy of certain units that no other legion gets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4303793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Please explain that distinction. Do you mean that the VI Legion has only one copy of certain units that no other legion gets? I can't remember exactly, and it must be buried in the HH weekender thread, but I got the impression the Wolves would pretty much replace some standard legion units with their own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4303811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Eh. So a year'ish of waiting before being able to build much... Brutal man, just brutal :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4304444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 According to forever lore, the Space Wolves Legion originially had 13 Great Companies. How much of that will survive BL/FW treatment remains to be seen. There is an argument for the Legion using the same unit types as the later Chapter still does, since they did not reorganise during the Second Founding. On the other hand, there was some veeery old lore during 1st Edition that stated that the Legion did briefly reorganize according to Codex guidelines, but then were changed again based on Russ' preferences. So perhaps the current unit types are actually wolfified versions of the standard Codex units, and not the very same units the original Legion had been using. "Like the other Chapters the Space Wolves were reorganised after the Horus Heresy according to the Codex Astartes. However, their Primarch, the famous Leman Russ, was never conventional and the Chapter soon adapted to suit its leader's fierce warrior mentality." - 1991 (during 1st Edition) 'Armies of the Imperium' (Space Marine 'Epic' source book), p. 11 That was from three years before the Space Wolves got their own Codex and "current" form in 2nd Edition, however, they had already been given their trademark characteristics in the 'Armies of the Imperium' book, i.e. twelve Great Companies, Grey Hunters, Blood CLaws, Long Fangs, Wolf Guard, the Fang, etc. Edit: So it would actually be allright if BL or FW came up with different unit types for the original Legion. Other than with Ultramarines, where one would have realistically expected them to use the same unit types as the later Chapter... the each great company should have like 10000 astartes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4304616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 According to forever lore, the Space Wolves Legion originially had 13 Great Companies. How much of that will survive BL/FW treatment remains to be seen. There is an argument for the Legion using the same unit types as the later Chapter still does, since they did not reorganise during the Second Founding. On the other hand, there was some veeery old lore during 1st Edition that stated that the Legion did briefly reorganize according to Codex guidelines, but then were changed again based on Russ' preferences. So perhaps the current unit types are actually wolfified versions of the standard Codex units, and not the very same units the original Legion had been using. "Like the other Chapters the Space Wolves were reorganised after the Horus Heresy according to the Codex Astartes. However, their Primarch, the famous Leman Russ, was never conventional and the Chapter soon adapted to suit its leader's fierce warrior mentality." - 1991 (during 1st Edition) 'Armies of the Imperium' (Space Marine 'Epic' source book), p. 11 That was from three years before the Space Wolves got their own Codex and "current" form in 2nd Edition, however, they had already been given their trademark characteristics in the 'Armies of the Imperium' book, i.e. twelve Great Companies, Grey Hunters, Blood CLaws, Long Fangs, Wolf Guard, the Fang, etc. Edit: So it would actually be allright if BL or FW came up with different unit types for the original Legion. Other than with Ultramarines, where one would have realistically expected them to use the same unit types as the later Chapter... the each great company should have like 10000 astartes? Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319081-space-wolf-legion-organization-and-markings/#findComment-4304627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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