Little Horus Aximand

[Rob P]

What are the thoughts of people on this guy? I'm still trying to figure him out and he's a little bit more complex than he seems at first glance.

 

Galaxy in Flames seemed as if it was going to set him down the path of regret, which would lead to him getting snuffed by Abaddon. The short story, Little Horus, appeared to alter his character and by the end of the story he appeared to be on board with things. However, we move to Vengeful Spirit and there are a few more hints again at him reverting to where we saw him going in Galaxy in Flames.

 

There was some talk that the mournival represented the balance of the humors of Horus. There was some talk that this meant that Little Horus represented melancholy, which seems fair. There was a suggestion that Loken did not effectively replace Sejanus in the mournival and this is where things went wrong.I think it's naïve from what we have seen to suggest that the mournival shapes or balances Horus, but rather that the mournival reflects the mood or character of Horus. if this is the case, does the fact that Little Horus still forms part of the mournival suggest that deep down somewhere Horus feels sadness regarding the heresy? If so, would the death of Little Horus represent the proper fall/embrace of Chaos by Horus? If so, what do we make of Horus's offer to Loken. Was it a show of power/hubris or was Horus looking to rebalance himself?

 

I'm also interested in what Little Horus says in Galaxy in Flames when he tries to persuade Torgaddon to give up and rejoin the legion. Little Horus almost exactly argues the point that first turned Lorgar to chaos (i.e. the chaos gods exist and we lose if we don't side with them). This makes me wonder if Little Horus is motivated by fear or plain helplessness (or he has just given up) rather than loyalty to Horus.

 

This all brings me on to speculation about the fate of Little Horus.

 

I think there are a number of cool things that could be done with Little Horus and a few less interesting things.

 

Less interesting would include being killed by Loken, Abaddon or Sigismund.

 

More interesting would include him lowering the shields on the Vengeful Spirit reflecting an aspect of Horus's doubt/regret about his course of action, suicide representing the death of any sorrow that Horus has in his action or something far cooler than anything I can come up with.

 

Thoughts? 

[Calas Typhon]

I for one have Little Horus just under Abaddon in my top 5 characters in the Warhammer Universe. He is definitely not sure of the path he and Horus have taken when it reaches Galaxy in Flames, so much so that by the Isstvan V Massacre he is almost robotic in function and joyless in nature. In fact, attempting to get out of that path is why he made the notion of forming the Mournival again (after seeing the shade of Loken/Torgaddon too). I believe personally, or how I look at it is, Aximand is not sure on the path the Legion has taken as much pride as he has in the XVIth, he is somewhat conflicted by the betrayal of his close friend Torgaddon however attempts to bury this by putting all he has in the Warmaster. Which will end up in tears now that the Warmaster has essentially become a quite literal Demi-God after the events of Vengeful Spirit or when the Warmaster is killed at Terra.

 

 

It is extremely likely he will be killed by The A meister sometime during the Forging of the Black Legion (Being a leader of the Sons of Horus wishing to go back to the Luna Wolves days or otherwise). However it is also likely Loken will kill him during the Terra stretch because of Torgaddon.

[Rob P]

It will be interesting if he survives Terra.

 

From Galaxy in Flames it seemed pretty certain that Abaddon would eventually kill him and I think the dreams in Little Horus are what threw it for me. In my mind it would of made more sense if the thing he feared was Torgaddon because they had a long relationship with each other and it was those 2 that fought on Istvaan III.

 

I was trying to find a way to make Abaddon's 'Horus was weak, Horus was a fool' quote relate to Horus Aximand, but it takes quite a bit of amendment to make it work. I thought such a change could potentially refresh the relationship between Horus and Abaddon. Also Horus Aximand was the first to hear these words (in Vengeful Spirit)

[hummus]

What are the thoughts of people on this guy? I'm still trying to figure him out and he's a little bit more complex than he seems at first glance.

 

Galaxy in Flames seemed as if it was going to set him down the path of regret, which would lead to him getting snuffed by Abaddon. The short story, Little Horus, appeared to alter his character and by the end of the story he appeared to be on board with things. However, we move to Vengeful Spirit and there are a few more hints again at him reverting to where we saw him going in Galaxy in Flames.

 

There was some talk that the mournival represented the balance of the humors of Horus. There was some talk that this meant that Little Horus represented melancholy, which seems fair. There was a suggestion that Loken did not effectively replace Sejanus in the mournival and this is where things went wrong.I think it's naïve from what we have seen to suggest that the mournival shapes or balances Horus, but rather that the mournival reflects the mood or character of Horus. if this is the case, does the fact that Little Horus still forms part of the mournival suggest that deep down somewhere Horus feels sadness regarding the heresy? If so, would the death of Little Horus represent the proper fall/embrace of Chaos by Horus? If so, what do we make of Horus's offer to Loken. Was it a show of power/hubris or was Horus looking to rebalance himself?

 

I'm also interested in what Little Horus says in Galaxy in Flames when he tries to persuade Torgaddon to give up and rejoin the legion. Little Horus almost exactly argues the point that first turned Lorgar to chaos (i.e. the chaos gods exist and we lose if we don't side with them). This makes me wonder if Little Horus is motivated by fear or plain helplessness (or he has just given up) rather than loyalty to Horus.

 

This all brings me on to speculation about the fate of Little Horus.

 

I think there are a number of cool things that could be done with Little Horus and a few less interesting things.

 

Less interesting would include being killed by Loken, Abaddon or Sigismund.

 

More interesting would include him lowering the shields on the Vengeful Spirit reflecting an aspect of Horus's doubt/regret about his course of action, suicide representing the death of any sorrow that Horus has in his action or something far cooler than anything I can come up with.

 

Thoughts? 

little horus is one of my suspects for lowering the shields, along with loken, garro and of course Alpharius or Omegron

[bluntblade]

I don't feel that Loken fails in his role within the Mournival. Erebus circumvents the four of them to influence Horus, and pushes Horus to the point where he disregards good advice.

 

If I recall correctly, Aximand finds it reassuring that he's only being haunted by Loken in his dreams, reasoning that his long-dead brother can't touch him. Having a very alive, defiant Loken infiltrate the Spirit is guaranteed to mess with his head after that.

[Roomsky]

He certainly has an interesting character progression, though a more cynical reader might attribute it to author miscommunication/disagreement. Anyone read The Either? How does he act there?

 

In the theory I'd like Loken to kill the bastard, though simply for selfish reasons. (I like Loken, he deserves some kind of catharsis.)

 

I'm also adamant in my support of the original fluff that Horus lowered the shields because he heard the Ultramarines were coming and needed to speed up the battle. I'm sure they could do fine with things going differently, but I think it would be an unnecessary alteration.

[bluntblade]

The Either is part of Shattered Legions, right? I'll likely pick that up when it comes out, as it's got Scars stuff, I'm keen to delve into the Meduson stuff and Little Horus was a nice read. Was nice to get a glimpse of Abaddon - I feel Abnett's handled him much better than McNeil and Counter did. He's not vastly different, but just comes across as more rounded somehow. Plus Henricos and Hibou were excellent.

[HeritorA]

The Either is part of Shattered Legions, right? I'll likely pick that up when it comes out, as it's got Scars stuff, I'm keen to delve into the Meduson stuff and Little Horus was a nice read. Was nice to get a glimpse of Abaddon - I feel Abnett's handled him much better than McNeil and Counter did. He's not vastly different, but just comes across as more rounded somehow. Plus Henricos and Hibou were excellent.

Yes they were - and it's sad that their story will end up being written by Kyme in 'Old Earth'

[Ascanius]

There was some talk that the mournival represented the balance of the humors of Horus. There was some talk that this meant that Little Horus represented melancholy, which seems fair. There was a suggestion that Loken did not effectively replace Sejanus in the mournival and this is where things went wrong.I think it's naïve from what we have seen to suggest that the mournival shapes or balances Horus, but rather that the mournival reflects the mood or character of Horus. if this is the case, does the fact that Little Horus still forms part of the mournival suggest that deep down somewhere Horus feels sadness regarding the heresy? 

 

In theory, Horus Lupercal has to feel regret over the Heresy amounting to self-loathing for the Cabal's plan to work.

[HeritorA]

 

There was some talk that the mournival represented the balance of the humors of Horus. There was some talk that this meant that Little Horus represented melancholy, which seems fair. There was a suggestion that Loken did not effectively replace Sejanus in the mournival and this is where things went wrong.I think it's naïve from what we have seen to suggest that the mournival shapes or balances Horus, but rather that the mournival reflects the mood or character of Horus. if this is the case, does the fact that Little Horus still forms part of the mournival suggest that deep down somewhere Horus feels sadness regarding the heresy? 

 

In theory, Horus Lupercal has to feel regret over the Heresy amounting to self-loathing for the Cabal's plan to work.

 

In theory he did. But after 'Little Horus' and events with his face - that's in the past

[LaurieJGoulding]

Yes they were - and it's sad that their story will end up being written by Kyme in 'Old Earth'

Not sure what you're talking about here. Bion Henricos died in 'Little Horus', Hibou Khan hasn't been seen since then.

[JH79]

That really was a devastational blow! I still remember my shock when i realised that "Little Horus" signaled the end for Bion and tied up the events following Grey Talon! I'd completely forgotten most of the story of Little Horus, but re-visiting several times reveals it as such a great example of what can be achieved with a short story!

 

Hopefully we see more of both Hibou and Little Horus soon!

[HeritorA]

Yes they were - and it's sad that their story will end up being written by Kyme in 'Old Earth'

Not sure what you're talking about here. Bion Henricos died in 'Little Horus', Hibou Khan hasn't been seen since then.

I meant Meduson and Marr conflict. I was expecting for it to be finished by Abnett - cause he started it.

As for the Hibou the reckoning will come - eventually :)

[drooling blood]

Yes they were - and it's sad that their story will end up being written by Kyme in 'Old Earth'

Not sure what you're talking about here. Bion Henricos died in 'Little Horus', Hibou Khan hasn't been seen since then.

Think hes more saying Kyme is dry, straight and boring. The complete opposite of fire.

So currently theres the vindicare running around on the Vengeful Spirit. Probably a pack or 2 of wolves as well by the time they get to Terra.

But lets go with the symmetry of Horus being betrayed by those closest to him.

[bluntblade]

I quite like the idea that Aximand suggests it to Horus, on the basis of the oldest Cthonian tactic. Go for the throat.

[Blood Angel Scout]

Apologies in the following for lack of exact details for sources, going from memory than bookshelves...hopefully someone else in the thread can confirm titles... The vindicare assassin, originally from Nemesis, has had his story already developed. Think it's called Gunsight, short story, possibly in an anthology, which shows his experience on the Spirit which leads into the recent Garro release

[HeritorA]

Yes they were - and it's sad that their story will end up being written by Kyme in 'Old Earth'

Not sure what you're talking about here. Bion Henricos died in 'Little Horus', Hibou Khan hasn't been seen since then.

Think hes more saying Kyme is dry, straight and boring. The complete opposite of fire.

So currently theres the vindicare running around on the Vengeful Spirit. Probably a pack or 2 of wolves as well by the time they get to Terra.

But lets go with the symmetry of Horus being betrayed by those closest to him.

Ahem - currently was 2 years ago. And he is already dead - you know that, right?

And it was in Garro storyline indeed Blood Angel Scout