Frater Cornelius Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 So here's question. How far is it deemed acceptable (in universe), to diverge from the original Legion colour scheme before the Second Founding? We are talking about anything from some company using lighter or darker blue in the 13th Legion up to someone incoporating red into the UM colour scheme (either red and blue or going full on red). Have there been examples of this happening? Also, what in universe reasons might there be for doing so? Cheers ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 As long as the legion symbol is on there I think you're generally covered. Night Lords/crimson sons, 2 schemes 1 symbol, the imperial fists have their black scheme, alphas have their blue/bluegreen/indigo/multicolour schemes depending on which piece of art you look at. Just tie it in suitably to the legion and you should be golden with little justification Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Another in-universe reason would be to show solidarity to the commander or to mark a veteran of some significant event. For grins, a commander of a great company has the moniker Flamewalker for marching through a burning inferno to assault some enemy. As a consequence, his legs were scortched black. After that event his entire great company paints their legs black and adopts the name Flamewalkers. You have a variant scheme of a legion but it is still part of the legion and recognizable to others what great company they hail from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I think anything goes to be honest. I thinking its more likely the longer a force has been away from the parent legion but even that is only my opinion. As for individual characters anything goes. Surely a character can have their own heraldry. Thats my 2 cents anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zopha Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 One example that was fairly obvious in the novel Pharos was the Nova Company of Ultramarines. They coloured their armour to match the captains heraldry, which of course is the Novamarine colour scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 One example that was fairly obvious in the novel Pharos was the Nova Company of Ultramarines. They coloured their armour to match the captains heraldry, which of course is the Novamarine colour scheme. I think that is a pretty solid approach. Strong loyalty to ones leader and showing said respect is always easier to justify than some external factors causing the entire company to reach for the nearest brush. I like that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwingt65 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Do what you want. As long as the legion logo is present, and there is no disputing what legions rules you are using. Just look at the Imp Fist art in book 3, there is a wide variety of paint schemes for them. The legions where massive, who is to say that some specialists company does not use a variant scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 There are two or three Legions I really do not see wearing a divergent colour scheme simply because of the nature of their legions and their approach to functionality over appearance outside of Chaplain/Apothecary colours. + The Death Guard - They might possibly wear a different shoulder pattern, but its doubtful that they would colour anything other than swamp green shades. + The Iron Warriors - Shoulder pads colour divergences for Grand Battalions/Companies and Cohorts? I could definitely see that. Change to the Silver plate though I really can't see happening from where I stand no matter the section. I was going to include the Iron Hands, but it is really really open to change of colour considering the events of Isstvan and the sundering of the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 What about Ultras with their rather massive Legion size? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What about Ultras with their rather massive Legion size? The Ultramarines are more likely to diverge from the colour scheme for there so many Chapters under the Legion banner and they are in charge of so many worlds. There is so much room to apply colours to the Legion as long as the Ultima is shown. As referenced above, there was a fellow in Pharos that wore the Novamarine colour scheme, there was also the fellow in Know No Fear who slipped my mind (unless they are the same Astartes). In addition even on the artwork for Redmarked, the new heresy audio, a red ultima on the shoulder of one of the Ultramarines fighting the Death Guard/Word Bearers. Ultramarines might be proud of their heraldry or armour, but out of all the Legions, only they and the Alpha Legion as I see it, are on the top of most likely to have a large verity of schemes over their vast numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Sounds good. I guess that settled this then ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Book 5 Also mentions a few Divergent Color Schemes like the Nemesis and Aurorans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Noxar Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 In my opinion it's perfectly acceptable and perhaps even logical that some companies/chapters have different colours schemes than the standard legion scheme they serve (except for death guard and iron warriors as mentioned above). Legions are so huge that warriors want to stand out (because of traits earned by members or something else) I've seen this in almost every HH forgewold book,if I remember correctly the sons of horus have a great variety in colour schemes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Basically, all it boils down to is this: Do what you like, within reason. Got a reason? Crack on. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Basically, all it boils down to is this: Do what you like, within reason. Got a reason? Crack on. But just remember when making Variant Schemes: The Legion comes first (Unless Shattered Legions or other force). So paint your Marines in whatever way you want just make sure to have a Shoulder Pad Reserved for Legion Colors :p Thats how I go about it at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Bladewolf's Guide to Alternate Color Schemes Step one: Set Your army in the Scouring Step two : Make some form of connection to original Legion Step three: Actually Paint your dudes Step four: ???????????????Step five: Profit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 As long as you have a reason that's within reason (Not "I got totally boozed up and decided Ultras should have rainbow shoulders.... baghajaaubgtobg") But a logical reason, like using red instead of blue on WE (Aka, my plan for my WE), because of the nails or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 As long as you have a reason that's within reason (Not "I got totally boozed up and decided Ultras should have rainbow shoulders.... baghajaaubgtobg") But a logical reason, like using red instead of blue on WE (Aka, my plan for my WE), because of the nails or something. Y'know.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Step three: Actually Paint your dudes And therein lies the rub. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 What is this... "painting" you speak of? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 14, 2016 Author Share Posted February 14, 2016 @ Bladewolf - You might not believe it, but I already got a colour scheme and sketches of the planned models and the colours are ready. Last thing I am looking for is material for the scratch build. Specifically, a suitable pair of legs for the first model :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4305938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have a question. What's the new WE scheme about? I'd like to do it on my WE, but I don't know how to justify it in the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4306043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have a question. What's the new WE scheme about? I'd like to do it on my WE, but I don't know how to justify it in the fluff. Blood is red. Blood for the Blood god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4306437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have a question. What's the new WE scheme about? I'd like to do it on my WE, but I don't know how to justify it in the fluff. Blue is too soothing, red is manly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4306443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Would it be reasonable to assume that a Company/Chapter at Calth or somehow connected to the fighting there repainted their armour in memory of those who died there? Blood Red comes to mind, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319198-divergent-colour-schemes/#findComment-4309285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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