Emprah2508 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I want to add some scions to my army. I have a leman russ with all the options for the battle tank kit 10 vets with snipers 3 autocannons 10 vets with meltas 3 mortars Lord commissar Chimera Ccs with various options I ally with BA with 5 terminators with flamer and Chainfist 5 marines with plasma pistol power fist and a melta Captain with hand flamer and melta Castor the damned What should get in terms of scions to complement this list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Scions can add some deep striking melta or plasma for a modest price considering what you get. They can be a reactive force to drop in where they're needed most to cause the most trouble for your opponent. This is arguably one of the better ways you use them and also what would fit your collection best in my opinion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4309567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Deep Striking melta or plasma squads are never a bad choice, and without multiplying the number of things in your guard forces, that's the way to go. If you want, you can eventually add a valkyrie or a taurox prime, to give them some support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4309627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 WarriorFish, as usual, stole my thunder. I was going to say the same. EDIT: Dang, ninja'ed by Ulrik, too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4309628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 So I could have a 10 man squad of scions with 2x plasmas and plasma pistol to run around taking out TEQ and MEQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4309920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Depends what role you want to fill For less pts you could field 2 wyvrens If you do want scions though melta and plasma are the way to go Given that the kits only have 1 set of special weapons each you'll need two boxes to effectively min/max Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4309970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 So I could have a 10 man squad of scions with 2x plasmas and plasma pistol to run around taking out TEQ and MEQ I'm not a fan of big Scion units, the hotshot las gun guys are overcosted IMO. I don't mind them as small 5 man teams to maximize special weapons, they can safely drop into terrain downfield and shoot. Hopefully not getting killed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4310184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I agree, full man squads are better in Scion lists where they need the bodies. Otherwise small insertion teams of five is plenty - lets you spread the action around the table and get more special weapons in :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4310270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I "third" the comments about larger Scion squads. I have done a decent amount of playtesting, and the larger squads just never pan out for me. Instead of a 10-man squad, I would try doing two 5-man squads, maybe one with plasma and one with melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4310462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 What about using the scions on their own? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4310468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 What about using the scions on their own? You mean, using an all-Scion force without allies? That would be a totally different ball of wax. In that case, small squads are still good for deep-striking, but you would also want some ground-pounders in Taurox Primes to grab some objectives and these should be 8-10 man squads for staying power IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4310555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 As allies I still min/max to keep their cost down The advantage of taking them as their own detachment is they benefit more from their orders than the AM ones I still use them for the same role But then you have access to obsec Taroux Primes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4311185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I tend to take full up squads of Stormies, since I use them as my elite infantry. I don't really deep strike my stormies, I prefer using them as mechanized forces. That's just me though. I'm just not a fan of deep strike as much as I used to be. The min deployment Elysian list I used to play just got boring, and it was a glass cannon. That just got to be no fun, so now I'm focused more on staying power. That and I wanted to do more combined arms, so I have a little bit of air cav, a little bit of armored cav, and dragoons, with some foot slogging dudes. I also went to the 5th ed codex, for my games at home, since I can, and it lets me play with penal legion squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4311856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 If they had made Hot-shot las guns S4 I think they would have been substantially more worthwhile, but clocking in at marine prices it's hard for me to justify larger squads of T3/+4 dudes. That said I wouldn't call them competitive but they are quite fun. I run the Air Cavalry formation sometimes, the twin-linking is nice but I'd love if they could come in turn one. Overall they're a bit one dimensional as a stand alone force, there's nothing in the codex beyond Scions, Tauroxes and Valks. So they're best allied with something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4313331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I know the question was in relation to adding Scions to an army, but I've been contemplating Scions for Kill Team. Just load up a Taurox Prime and go to town. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4313657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Wouldn't bother with the Taurox, more bodies would be better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4313691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 But 48" range guns is so clutch for reaching out and poking the enemy. And it's fast so it can kite most enemy units too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4313756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 there's nothing in the codex beyond Scions, Tauroxes and Valks. Well...that's true (except you left out the commies), but I've found that a firestorm redoubt with a pair of battle cannons helps out immensely. It's still boring in terms of model diversity, but those battle cannons go a long way towards covering some of their shortcomings, and what's not nice about filling that bunker with hot shot volley guns? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319364-adding-scions/#findComment-4313859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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