Bmseifer Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Salut A friend of mine has convinced me to take the plunge into 30k with him. So both of us just ordered a box of BaC each to get us started. Now which books do we need for the game rules and army rules? I'm planning on playing SoH and he will probably be playing WB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 You'll need the legion Astartes Crusade army list book for the basic list. Then you'll need the age of darkness legions book, due out soon. You could also get book 6, retribution for some more rules to do with each Legion if you wished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Heresy Train + Breaks = None Spend a little more time researching the arimes and see what works for you. SoH are pretty great tho. Go to 1d4chan and look under Legion Tactics and it'll give you a pretty good analysis of the Legions, their tacitcs, and the units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 You'll need the legion Astartes Crusade army list book for the basic list. Then you'll need the age of darkness legions book, due out soon. You could also get book 6, retribution for some more rules to do with each Legion if you wished. Will the age of darkness legions book not include the vanilla legion units ie, do you need both it at the LA:CAL book? That would seem strange to me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yes, you need both. The Crusade Army book are the units available to every legion, whereas the Age of Darkness contains all of the legion specific rules and units. Although technically, if you just want to run a generic Great Crusade-era army, you can just use the Crusade Army book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/34501329/images/1409425306195.png Choom Choom motherer! Welcome to the Heresy! But seriously... it's going to be a lot of fun. I haven't regretted taking the plunge with B@C, myself. Though I went in deeper... got two plus a third contemptor... plus I robbed the storm eagle and fellglaive I'd bought for my 40k Knights of Blood but never fully painted, plus converted up a forge father, plus bought some 30k rhinos and a mkiib land raider... No breaks! Anyway, the one thing I'd consider is seeing if either you or your buddy could be talked into doing a loyalist legion instead. It would probably make the games a lot more narratively fun and compelling if one of you was a "good guy" and the other one was a "bad guy," rather than the two of you having to torture out narrative reasons why you're fighting. Maybe one of you could do Dark Angels? Like the traitor legions, they have a very different 30k color scheme and organization than they do in 40k, so you get that exotic army feel while still playing a loyalist force. The White Scars can be even bikier in 30k than in 40k, which might be fun. Alternately, you might be able to talk your buddy into one of the assaultier loyalist forces, like Blood Angels. Just a thought. Honestly, if it works for you, great. I'm not about to poop on anyone else's fun. If you really just want the rules, hang in there! We're going to see an updated rerelease of the red books soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmseifer Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 No brakes huh? So I convinced a second buddy of mine to split the first BaC box with me with the intention to order more when we paint it all up. We're planning on doing some kind of tale of gamers event to get our motivations going. We are a big gaming group so we're hoping more will jump aboard the heresy train as we go. As for the traitor/loyalist representation issue, the third guy will be playing Ultramarines. Myself, I have second thoughts on the sons of horus, as I would like the models from the legion army to be playable in 40k too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not sure why that would give you second thoughts on the SoH as they are probably one of the better Legions in terms of playability across game systems. Depending in how you model them, they can be extremely spiky & evil looking (CSM) or quite plain and vanilla as per the beginning of their descent into darkness (SM). Their special units also don't use any weaponry that isn't available to 40k in some description; Justaerin make perfect Chaos Terminators with their combi-bolters and Reavers can represent pretty much anything. Just avoid the 30k specific weaponry (volkite) etc if you want your army to be completely 40k friendly. Be warned though, for in doing so you'll miss out on much of what makes 30k its own game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Neat! I can tell you that my Salamanders are playable as a 40k army, albeit one with some weird limitations (i.e. only godhammer land raiders, all the terminators I own so far have weird kit, lots of my HQs have storm shields that I have to pretend aren't there, etc). I expect that as my collection grows, it'll get easier to make decent 40k lists for fun games. I don't know the Chaos codex well enough to know if that's possible there as well. That said, something to consider is that 30k is kiiiiiiiiiinda balanced with 40k. Even some tournaments are allowing Legion lists. So if your opponent is willing, you could always say "this particular gang of Black Legion marines happen to wear the old colors and fight in a more organized way," and use the Legion rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmseifer Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well, I thought all sons of horus painted their armor black when Horus died and became the Black Legion under the rule of Abaddon. Thats why I thought it would be weird to use them in 40k. Otherwise I love the aestethics of them. I dislike the 40k version of chaos with all their spikes and stuff, so the models themself would fit perfectly my vision of a sinister chaos warband in 40k. I have no idea rulewise what the different legions do as I don't have the HH books yet. I just chose SoH initially for their looks and color scheme Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 There are still warbands of Sons of Horus loyal to Horus (not Abaddon) running around in 40k, so it's perfectly fluff legal. They're referred to as the 'Thrice-cursed Traitors,' and include among their number the Sons of the Eye, the True Sons and the Wolves of Horus. You could easily say you were one of those or make up your own. edit: Thrice-cursed TraitorsIn the long, dark decades after the death of their Primarch, the Sons of Horus fragmented. When Abaddon proclaimed himself master of the Legion in the ruins of Maeleum, there were those who turned their back on the Despoiler. These legionnaires either remained true to the memory of Horus or forsook all masters, before vanishing into the depths of the Eye of Terror. Most would disappear from history forever, but some returned to challenge the Black Legion, or in time join its ranks. They are known to the Black Legion as the Thrice-cursed Traitors. In terms of playstyle, the SoH are an aggressive close range army that excels at either short ranged firefights or in close combats where they are able to overwhelm their opponents. They also look freaking sick. You'll love them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmseifer Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Well that settles it! And as a side note, I ordered a bunch of new colors for the SoH scheme I have in mind so it would be a waste not to go on as planned! It will arrive together with the BaC box in a few days so I will have to do some research on how I should assemble the marines. The site I ordered from didn't carry any FW products so I'm hoping I can put off ordering the books until I want to order some models from FW as well. What would be a good setup to build with the BaC box? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not helpful in the slightest but I would really recommend reading the books before you do much work on an army (or at least Book 1 Betrayal, which has an in-depth section on the Legion, and Book 4 Conquest, which shows the SoH in their element) just to get a really good idea of the Legion's character and modus operandi. Their assault on Manachea in Book 4 is so awesome just thinking about it makes me want to go door to door preaching the word of FW like a Jehovah's Witness with a legitimate purpose. But yeah, if it is at all possible, read the FW stuff before starting the army. It will inspire you. Anyway, you have two choices really for the marines in BAC. They can be Tactical Marines, where you have between 10-20 in a unit, where everybody (except the Sergeant) can only be equipped with a boltgun. Alternatively, you can run them as Veterans, where you get to pick up to 2 special/heavy weapons and run them in units of 5-10. Doing so however will force you to take a particular 'Rite of War' (a system used in 30k to provide a means for players to build their armies in a way that fits a theme, whether that be the character of their Legion or a particular engagement that Legion fought in) named Pride of the Legion, which lets you take Terminators and/or Veterans as troops choices (but forces you to do so for your compulsory slots). Going Veterans/Pride of the Legion can be an easy way of getting a playable army very quickly and giving you an excuse to buy lots of shiny toys like Dreadclaws, Sicarans, Dreadclaws, Rapiers, Dreadclaws, Justaerin, Dreadclaws, etc, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor of Calth Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 You poor soul getting "tricked" into the Heresy. I can't begin to imagine how that swanky new BaC box is going to make you feel. :p In all honestly pick up the two updated red books for SoH. Istvaan legions and the Crusade list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4312942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmseifer Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Ok so Pride of the legion sounds like a legitimate way to get a starting force painted up using the BaC content. Maybe we're all able to get a small 500pts army painted before we go on a FW shopping spree Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4313930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viridia Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Welcome to the Heresy! And yes, POTL is a fantastic way to start off a small army, akin to the old FOC from 40k. The great thing about it is it also scales up; you can go from a Consul and two five-man Vet-Tac Squads to a Praetor, Consul, and Terminators/Legion Veterans out the kazoo with just a few addons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4314046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The sticky thread on the main AoD page is exactly where you want to be heading first :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319460-getting-tricked-into-heresy/#findComment-4314077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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