New base sizes

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

I havent played since 4th edition 40k. Do space marines have new larger base sizes than the old stanbdard 25mm? anyone help me out. Thanks!

[Doctor Perils]

Technically they now use the new 32mm bases (still round :P) But there are still plenty of players that have the 25mm bases so don't feel obliged to change your old bases over.

[Knight of the Raven]

However, since they're older than the change to 32mm, slotted bases such as the ones from Dark Vengeance and some finecast models are still 25mm, I believe, for what it's worth.

 

For the sake of completion, terminators are on 40mm bases now, though I'm not sure that happened before or after you left, and the walking vending machines of the apocalyp--err, I mean centurion suits are on 50mm.

[Teetengee]

Basically put them on whatever you want.

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

Thanks all! I like to do a little more on my bases, but never seem to have room.  This was very helpful!

[Morngrym]

Thanks all! I like to do a little more on my bases, but never seem to have room.  This was very helpful!

This is exactly my situation. I really like the new 32mm size because it gives me more freedom with decorating the base.

[Obeliske]

The problem with putting them on whatever base size you want is that now your building for a buff. In melee combat only models that can get into base to base can fight with smaller bases more infantry can be moved into base combat allowing you to get more attacks in. The base size is a nerf (and while I don't understand why it is what it is now) and the first time somebody tries to play with me with 25mm bases I'll pack my :cuss and leave. I'm all for the rule of cool but base size isn't optional and is in fact building for an advantage.

[Knight of the Raven]

the first time somebody tries to play with me with 25mm bases I'll pack my and leave.

Yes, how dare they prefer the look of 25mm bases or not want to rebase their entire army. The fiends. They should be put to death.

[Atia]

 

 

I'm all for the rule of cool but base size isn't optional 

GW thinks otherwise. ;)

[Jarl of Wulfen]

I have almost 200 marines that were built using 25mm bases, cuz that's what they came with. No way am I ever going to shell out the cash to rebase them. I believe GW's stance has been build it with the size it comes with. I've also started to order custom bases from Secret Weapon Minatures. If your old marines are 25mm, I say leave em. If you get some new ones, use the 32mm.

[Teetengee]

The problem with putting them on whatever base size you want is that now your building for a buff. In melee combat only models that can get into base to base can fight with smaller bases more infantry can be moved into base combat allowing you to get more attacks in. The base size is a nerf (and while I don't understand why it is what it is now) and the first time somebody tries to play with me with 25mm bases I'll pack my and leave. I'm all for the rule of cool but base size isn't optional and is in fact building for an advantage.

This is very, very false.

A. Building for advantage is no longer against the rules. WYSIWYG is also no longer a rule except for determining what type of power and/or force weapon(s) a model has when the rules for their character do not specify (and only under that circumstance, if they only have access to force swords for instance, that is the the weapon they get, even if the model is armed with an axe or maul).

B. Even when modelling for advantage was a rule, there was a specific rule saying all models may be played on the bases they are supplied with.

C. It isn't even a straight nerf. Footprint denial can be a positive as well as foot print flexibility. Larger based units can now maintain coherency over a larger area and can more easily deny enemy movements, particularly when wrapping transports.

[OrangeBob]

I have a quick question regarding this. Is Forgeworld going to start sending 32mm bases with regular PA marines? That would sure help me to switch, but thus far, I have only received 25mm from FW.

[Halandaar]

I have a quick question regarding this. Is Forgeworld going to start sending 32mm bases with regular PA marines? That would sure help me to switch, but thus far, I have only received 25mm from FW.

 

I think it depends on when the kits were released/produced/packaged. For example, Khârn is the only PA-equipped Heresy character model on a 25mm base; the rest are already designed for 32mm. Similarly, the newer specialist units (Mor Deythan, Dark Furies, Invictarus Suzerains) were all released on 32mm, but the older ones (Palatine Blades, Reaver Squad, Kakophoni) on 25mm; for the older models, I suspect that newly produced kits are packed with 32mm bases but if they were packed before the changeover, probably still have 25mms.

 

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[Doctor Perils]

 

 

I have a quick question regarding this. Is Forgeworld going to start sending 32mm bases with regular PA marines? That would sure help me to switch, but thus far, I have only received 25mm from FW.

I think it depends on when the kits were released/produced/packaged. For example, Khârn is the only PA-equipped Heresy character model on a 25mm base; the rest are already designed for 32mm. Similarly, the newer specialist units (Mor Deythan, Dark Furies, Invictarus Suzerains) were all released on 32mm, but the older ones (Palatine Blades, Reaver Squad, Kakophoni) on 25mm; for the older models, I suspect that newly produced kits are packed with 32mm bases but if they were packed before the changeover, probably still have 25mms.

 

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Yep, newer models (my quad mortar gunner and my techmarine) have been coming with 32s

[OrangeBob]

Thanks guys. My last FW order was in December, so I reckon they were packed pre 32mm.

[SW1]

The problem with putting them on whatever base size you want is that now your building for a buff. In melee combat only models that can get into base to base can fight with smaller bases more infantry can be moved into base combat allowing you to get more attacks in. The base size is a nerf (and while I don't understand why it is what it is now) and the first time somebody tries to play with me with 25mm bases I'll pack my :cuss and leave. I'm all for the rule of cool but base size isn't optional and is in fact building for an advantage.

If you play with anyone who's been collecting for more than a few years and they'll have plenty of models on 25mm bases. This isn't modelling for advantage it's using the base that the model came with. Moving to the larger base size is optional. If your unhappy with it complain to GWS but don't complain to players who've been collecting for a long time.

[Prot]

The problem with putting them on whatever base size you want is that now your building for a buff. In melee combat only models that can get into base to base can fight with smaller bases more infantry can be moved into base combat allowing you to get more attacks in. The base size is a nerf (and while I don't understand why it is what it is now) and the first time somebody tries to play with me with 25mm bases I'll pack my and leave. I'm all for the rule of cool but base size isn't optional and is in fact building for an advantage.

If you play with anyone who's been collecting for more than a few years and they'll have plenty of models on 25mm bases. This isn't modelling for advantage it's using the base that the model came with. Moving to the larger base size is optional. If your unhappy with it complain to GWS but don't complain to players who've been collecting for a long time.

Let's keep in mind this is absolutely NOT something started by the playing community. This change is completely on the shoulders of GW. We cannot blame someone for modeling for advantage when 25mm has been the norm for so long and now 32mm is an 'option' going forward.

I can tell you after playing literally hundreds of games with both sizes, there are pluses and minuses to both. I can't blame anyone but GW, but at the end of the day this doesn't bother me because both are 100% legal, and we have the option now.

The disadvantages are something I stumbled on when some were claiming it was only an advantage for dodging large templates/flamers etc. (Which is truth) However Deep striking, Hammer of Wraith, moving through terrain, emergency Disemabarks, are all disadvantages (to name a few).

Believe it or not my number one peeve about this is my OCD is going into overdrive on this. I have lots of situations... my Ultramarines are half and half! This drives me nuts!

My Daemonkin have 20 Flesh Hounds in the 50mm bases, and 20 in the 40mm bases... it's embarrassing to admit, but this drives me crazy as well.

Finally... maybe the greatest negative of all for me is now going to the store/tournies/travel is a whole new ball game. I lose a one row per sheet of foam on my travel bags. And all of those older foam trays I spent a small fortune on? Well now they only fit my cultists and old figs. Even the sculpts are bigger (ever stand a current marine next to 'original' Marneus? I know who I'm betting on in an arm wrestling contest). The dyanmic poses, larger models, and 32mm bases make packing a real difficulty.

Oddly enough I now have 2 of the biggest GW cases and they are actually extremely efficient at odd shaped infantry. Unfortunately, Stormravens, Bloodthirsters, Landraiders are far too space consuming to take advantage of these.

Modeling for advantage? Me? No way. I model to try and pack it all up now....

See these little beauties...

I never pay for them in game, they're my 'go to' summon units. So this means they always have to be with me. Here I have 'modeled for advantage'! (of packing!)

The actual model is supposed to have the crew on the top, at the rear. But I did it this way so I have a chance at packing them. I've still noted the swords which are too upright do have slight curve in them as careful as I am.... imagine if I put those guys on the top of the model? No chance of getting them out of the house without extra boxes which are already mandatory for stuff like Soul Grinders, Heldrakes, etc.

[Knight of the Raven]

Packing models. My nemesis.

GW didn't even make their new foam tall enough for a rhino. The exhausts peek out of the top. Not to mention immolator top armor. Oh, you modeled all your razorbacks with it? HAVE FUN TROLOLOL

[Teetengee]

I've begun adding magnets to the bottom of my bases. I am just going to transfer things on steel cookie sheets and make a box with some spacers to layer them. Too many spikes and conversions means finding foam that works will be an exercise in futility.

[Landrick]

I've begun adding magnets to the bottom of my bases. I am just going to transfer things on steel cookie sheets and make a box with some spacers to layer them. Too many spikes and conversions means finding foam that works will be an exercise in futility.

What sizes are you putting beneath the bases?

[Schultzhoffen]

I must say, I was sceptical about the 32 mm bases at first but I've grown to love them. I've rebased by whole army with the new 32s. However, I couldn't care less is my opponent has the old size. Heck, some guys even have the old terminators on their tiny bases. Who cares?

[Teetengee]

 

I've begun adding magnets to the bottom of my bases. I am just going to transfer things on steel cookie sheets and make a box with some spacers to layer them. Too many spikes and conversions means finding foam that works will be an exercise in futility.

What sizes are you putting beneath the bases?

 

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/show-decimal-d032d.aspx

so far one under 25mm and 2 stacked under the 32mm has worked, but I'll let you know in the future as I haven't had much of a chance to check transit qualities yet

[Obeliske]

@ Teetengee

 

A, I'd like to know where your pulling building for advantage no longer being against the rules from as I can't imagine any competition allowing it, what's to prevent somebody from putting a LR with lascannon on a six and a half foot pedestal well out of range of most guns? Or 10 Deathstrikes on 7 foot pedestals inside boxes? I'm sorry I'd like to know where your getting this from?

 

B, Your right models are to be used with the bases supplied except the 25mm base is no longer supplied with those models currently that is a 32mm base. Using this same logic what's to prevent me from using some of my old metal Leman Russ tanks they were significantly smaller then the ones provided today and by your logic I could use them and give them current weapons meaning they have a smaller footprint and an easier time hiding behind things. This really links again to A, please provide a link to where this is being said.

 

C, Your both right and wrong here, as LOS is based on intervening models not bases a larger base doesn't allow you to bubble more tanks with fewer guys it just makes it harder to hide the tank period. That being said your right about movement denial and such however I think we can both agree the negatives outweigh the positives. From deepstriking to general balancing (and it does say in the rules if your model can't stand there you aren't aloud to move there) there are many many more negatives to larger bases then positives.

@SW1

 

I've been playing damn near 20 years, I can't count the number of times I've had to switch models. Sometimes I just like the look of the new models, sometimes it's a new footprint on the model, sometimes it's a new position of the weapon (from which we are to draw line of site when shooting), sometimes it's even just new rules that make me change the model. There are absolutely people who choose not to do any of these things but I've always attempted to stay current so as to cause as few issues as possible especially with new players who may become confused when they see stuff that doesn't exist anymore. One may as well claim their old third edition codex is fine to use if they have a copy.

 

@Knight of the Raven

 

Are you seriously going to sit there and try and make me feel bad for believing what I choose to believe and play with who I choose to play with? My local FLGS has players of all different castes in life. We have a few players who really shouldn't be playing and load their guys with all the extras to avoid having to purchase more models, we have players who buy whatever the newest deathstar out is, we have lots of players in between but we all play by the same rules, as written by GW whether we like them or not. To do otherwise we might as well go play a different miniatures game and we all like WH far more then others (and many of us have tried other ones), your free to disagree with my opinions and philosophy but please do so in an intelligent and calm manner, to do otherwise isn't helpful in any way.

 

@everybody else

I've said my opinion and whether you agree or not it is just one man on the internets opinion your free to care about it or not, the OP asked a question and this topic a has been very derailed, to answer the OP yes Space Marines (or Adeptus Astartes as they are now known as) currently use 32mm bases. To those who are going to take offence at my calling them Adeptus Astartes grow up, I get to call my guys Astra Militarum now I figure that's a lot worse and keep in mind when your calling them whatever vernacular you choose to in 10 years what will people call them then, calling them Space Marines or even Adeptus Astartes may make people cross their eyes and wonder what the heck your talking about, it's generally easier just to accept things like a name change and move on. 

 

EDIT: for language

[Teetengee]

A: RAW, no rule exists in any GW publication saying that you can't build models for game advantage anymore.
B: See A.

C. Bubblewrapping is useful when you force disembarkations, it isn't about wrapping your vehicles, but enemy vehicles. That way you can autokill units that try to disembark from smaller transports because they cannot legally be placed.

On the topic of what tournaments do/don't allow. That is irrelevant to a general rule question. Tournament policies are by definition house rules. As we are a general forum, and OP was asking what is allowed, not what House rules we use, the only real answer we can provide is the RAW one, or what we personally use. Misleading OP by saying things that are allowed are not allowed is pretty against the point of OP's question.

[Atia]

 

 

I've said my opinion and whether you agree or not it is just one man on the internets opinion your free to care about it or not, the OP asked a question and this topic a has been very derailed, to answer the OP yes Space Marines (or Adeptus Astartes as they are now known as) currently use 32mm bases. To those who are going to take offence at my calling them Adeptus Astartes grow up, I get to call my guys Astra Militarum now I figure that's a lot worse and keep in mind when your calling them whatever vernacular you choose to in 10 years what will people call them then, calling them Space Marines or even Adeptus Astartes may make people cross their eyes and wonder what the heck your talking about, it's generally easier just to accept things like a name change and move on. 

 

... but you know that they were called Adeptus Astartes since ... ever?? The name isn't new. Whats wrong with Astra Militarum/Militarum Tempestus/Adepta Sororitas (btw, the name Adepta Sororitas existed since 2nd edition too)? Especially as the "old" names, Imperial Guard, Stormtroopers and Sisters of Battle are still valid ... the "Imperial gotic" names are just for name/IP protections on the codex covers.

 

Also, you really change your Devastators 'cause GW released a new kit? Cool. Most people either can't afford that, or don't want to throw away their "old" models who are 100% valid?

 

Fact is - GW don't cares for bases anymore. You can use whatever you want - that's the way GW choosed. You wonder why that isn't stated in the BRB? Yeah, you know, the decision was made a while after the current BRB got printed. Of course you don't have to believe me, or have to approve with anyone here or with GW itself.^^