Terminus Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I've been bouncing between the Sons and the Children for my next Legion project, and since I want to go heavily for melee, I think Children are where it's at. I've put together a list that uses all the models I like (that relic contemptor is very EC with all of its aquilas, so goes well with the EC contemptor) and just need to fill the last heavy support choice. Warlord: Fulgrim Trait: Night Attacker Rite of War: Kakophoni HQ: Delegatus - artificer armor, master-crafted phoenix spear, boarding shield, sonic shrieker, melta-bombs - 112 Elites: 7x Phoenix Terminators - grenade harness, sonic shriekers - 370 Elites: 9x Veterans - Sgt w/artificer armor & phoenix spear, 4 power swords, sonic shriekers, melta-bombs, tactic: Furious Charge - 293 Elites: Contemptor Cortus in DDP - chainfist/powerfist, two grav guns - 240 Elites: Contemptor Cortus in DDP - chainfist/powerfist, two grav guns - 240 Troops: 10x Kakophoni in Rhino - Sgt with artificer armor & power sword - 300 Troops: 10x Kakophoni in Rhino - Sgt with artificer armor & power sword - 300 Fast Attack: Dreadclaw - 100 Heavy Support: Kharybdis Assault Craft - 260 Heavy Support: Deathstorm Pod - drop assault, krak launchers - 145 Heavy Support: ??? Lord of War: Fulgrim So we're at 2740 so far. Fulgrim and phoenix terminators go into Kharybdis, delegatus and veterans go into dreadclaw. What I drop first will depend on the opponent, but it will usually be Kharybdis and both dreadnoughts, followed by dreadclaw and deathstorm pod. With Night Attacker (would pick something different vs. night lords!), the Kharybdis can jink for a 3+ cover save and the dreadnoughts/pods will have a 4+ cover save. My weakness as I see it so far are flyers and massed armor. Here are the options as I see them for those last 260 points. Option A: Fire Raptor Gunship with reaper batteries and an 8th phoenix terminator. Gives me anti-flyer and anti-transport and anti-personnel capability, but it's yet another part of the army that starts in reserve and I have no reserve manipulation ability for vehicles. Option B: Deredeo Dreadnought with Aiolos Launcher and an 8th phoenix terminator. Similar roles as above, plus provides a bit of interceptor cover for my Kakophoni rhinos, while starting on the table. Option C: Venator Tank Destroyer with lascannon sponsons and an 8th phoenix terminator (shave 10 points somewhere). Leaves me wide open to flyers, but gives me more juice against Typhons. Option D: drop kakophoni swords and metabombs from delegatus, add squadron of two Vindicator Laser Destroyers (one with machine spirit for split fire). This is a very solid choice that gives me strong ground anti-transport or even anti-monstrous creatures and terminator capability. Again, though, I'm left wide open in the sky. Option E: Drop one of the Cortus Contemptors for a Leviathan, and use the extra points for a Javelin speeder and an apothecary for the Veterans. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Personally I'd drop the deathstorm and go for a las vindi and deredeo. You'll always struggle to get much in with a primarch at 3k, I usually play at 3500+ But looking at your list, with that many pods, take a Damocles. It will give you reserve manipulation along with fulgrim. And the 24" no scatter is nice. And orbital bombardment. A delegatus I have found is weak at above 2k, for a few extra points you can make him a chaplain or forge Lord with rad grenades. Better buffs than a delegatus. And fulgrim has rite of command anyway. Fulgrim is pretty nifty on combat, so def worth taking something that can cover him as you have done. I haven't managed to try out ec with the new rules yet. How annoying!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Deathstorm cannot be dropped with the current set-up, as that throws off the balance on pods. The list as is also doesn't need reserve manipulation since 3 pods come in turn 1 and 2 come on the second turn. The kharybdis and dreadclaw can land at a distance and the rest have inertial guidance systems. The 40 points or so that I have floating around could certainly go towards a stronger combat character, thanks for that suggestion. The Chaplain is a bit awkward due to having to pay points for a power weapon he won't use, but the Forge Lord with rad grenades so that the phoenix lances are hitting at S7 and all the power swords at S6 sounds pretty nice actually. I could do something like this, I could also take Master of Ambush for the trait, in which case I could infiltrate the Kakophoni and the Assault Marines with Fulgrim. In a perfect world, the Assault Marines will get like 50 points cheaper so I can squeeze an apothecary in there somewhere. HQ: Forge Lord - artificer armor, phoenix spear, boarding shield, sonic shriekers, rad grenades - 127 Elites: 5x Palatine Blades - phoenix spears, sonic shriekers - 190 Elites: 5x Phoenix Terminators - grenade harness, sonic shriekers - 290 Elites: Contemptor Cortus in DDP - chainfist/powerfist, two grav guns - 240 Elites: Contemptor Cortus in DDP - chainfist/powerfist, two grav guns - 240 Troops: 8x Kakophoni in Rhino - Sgt with artificer armor, power sword - 260 Troops: 8x Kakophoni in Rhino - Sgt with artificer armor, power sword - 260 Troops: 10x Assault Marines - Sgt with artificer armor, phoenix spear, combat shield, 2x power swords, sonic shriekers - 318 FA: Dreadclaw - 100 FA: Dreadclaw - 100 Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought with Aiolos - 220 Heavy Support: Vindicator Laser Destroyer - 130 Heavy Support: Krak Pod - 145 Lord of War: Fulgrim - 380 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 how do the other two pods auto come in on turn 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Fulgrim gives his Astartes a re-roll. It's 75% but good enough for me, "Auto" was a bit of am exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 oh cool , i didint know that , yea in a situation like that you really dont have to worry about extra manipulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 The chappy comes with a stock 'power weapon as modelled' so just model an axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 On a guy who can get I7 in challenges?! You crazy! I realize Phoenix spears actually are kind of bleh, but WS5 S5 AP2 I7 with opponent at -1 WS and T sounds too much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I mean you just need a really good first round of combat with phoenix spears, after that you're sadly just stuck with basically a power sword. Plus phoenix spears look pretty cool so can't go wrong with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 No, spears are for the charge, free power weapon for protracted engagements. As he's a chappy youl maybe want him in a challenge or not. But ap3 is useless in 9/10 challenges. He would have both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Spears count as power swords in protracted engagements. If anything, I'd take a power axe/spear, so he's always S5 AP2 but strikes at initiative first round of combat. Baby Eidolon basically. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yes so you give him a spear,for the i6/7 challenge on round one. If you don't kill the opponent, you have ap2 available for the next round to go through arty armour (axe) If you do, you can either use ap3 for marine killing with spear at i5, or ap2 at i1 for others. Pretty simple really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 I like that in theory, I would model some kind of suitably bad-ass glaive to represent all his "combat styles". For this particular list, though, I do really like the forge lord so that I am S6 AP2 on the charge, and S5 AP3 in ensuing rounds with all those spears and swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 At least with their increased ws you have more of a chance of shacking them. The chaplain theory has worked I practical for me a few times. Play test both and see which is best for your style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The Forge Lord would probably be the best choice since you dont really need a 2nd Weapon since he's got the Servo Arm for an S8 Ap2 Hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yes could be, and if fulgrim is in there anyway... It was more about getting zealot anyways. It's just a chappy bonus that he COMES with a power weapon as modelled :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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