Zebulon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Nobody has yet said Salamanders, and I suspect I am getting a chippy reputation on their behalf, but I feel the need to stick up for them. The very definition of Dauntless Few, and also appropriate for all the reasons Ishagu gave for other, more vaunted legions being more than simple, simplistic meat grinders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4322841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Main legion: Iron Warriors. Dauntless Few: Imperial Fists, World Eaters, Death Guard and Salamanders. Iron warriors: failure is not an option. Death guard: they will not give up on reaching their target World Eaters: easy to get, easy to handle, just point them at the direction of the enemy, and preferably keep your distance. Imperial Fists: discipline and good as a counter-attacking force as well as holding the line. Salamanders: force multipliers, zone mortalis-style warfare, when scorched earth is needed, but not the death guard kind. Also they have the necessary moral compass to know when to and when not too use their flamers. Scenario 1: iron warriors and world eaters launch direct assault on the xeno-scum, with the other imperial fists filling gaps in the main battle-line and launching counter-attacks along the flanks or similar situations, the death guard attacking the toughest enemy resistance points, preferably while using the terrain to their advantage, while the salamanders are preferably sent into cityfights and against large-scale enemy infantry formations. Scenario 2: the imperial fist and iron warriors armada strike first and find the strongest resistance where the death guard will move in to support, breaking enemy space-superiority while allowing the other world eaters and salamanders to move in and drop into combat, creating a beachhead for the imperial fists, iron warriors and death guard to land heavier armour, infantry and artillery, as well as fortify a position for the salamanders and world eaters to regroup at. Then it's just attacking each point of enemy resistance until the system is deemed pacified. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4322889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 An ishagu led ultramarines A dantay led space wolves A WLK led Ravenguard A wolf pack led iron hands But then again that's just my preferred teammates for an aloc game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4322909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Nobody has yet said Salamanders, and I suspect I am getting a chippy reputation on their behalf, but I feel the need to stick up for them. The very definition of Dauntless Few, and also appropriate for all the reasons Ishagu gave for other, more vaunted legions being more than simple, simplistic meat grinders. I was actually planning on including the Salamanders, but thought their morality may get in the way of a righteous purging. the Fists were my fallback choice An ishagu led ultramarines A dantay led space wolves A WLK led Ravenguard A wolf pack led iron hands But then again that's just my preferred teammates for an aloc game ah, you're making me blush. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4322942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ferrus, perturabo,corax Ferrus because the ironhands are completly relentless and many tanks Pertirabo because can break any fortification as well as defend any Corax for surgical strikes and destroying enemy supply lines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4323503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 An ishagu led ultramarines A dantay led space wolves A WLK led Ravenguard A wolf pack led iron hands But then again that's just my preferred teammates for an aloc game ah, you're making me blush. WLK Just imagine the arguments at the strategy Table ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4323810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 An ishagu led ultramarines A dantay led space wolves A WLK led Ravenguard A wolf pack led iron hands But then again that's just my preferred teammates for an aloc game ah, you're making me blush. WLK Just imagine the arguments at the strategy Table ! No arguments from me. I've won all but 1 Apoc team game due to a deep commitment to team work. Other players know their armies better than I do, so its my job (for the ones I was the captain of) to make sure everybody balances out the other perfectly. I hate to sound like a punk, but the 1 loss comes from a game that was very poorly managed and frankly shouldnt have happened. Too much leeway was given out and the players pretty much walked over any attempt to organize. I still look back at that game and get angry. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4323818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 An ishagu led ultramarines A dantay led space wolves A WLK led Ravenguard A wolf pack led iron hands But then again that's just my preferred teammates for an aloc game I could get on board for this. I can't imagine too many arguments, From a fluff perspective, each legion has a speciality, so we would fight to our strengths. Fists and Raven Guard are battle bro's, need to check for Ultra's in the back of the rulebook. But considering Guillemann considered Russ one of his dauntless few, relations between them must have been good at least. From a real world perspective, I have only played 2 apoc games and they went badly, so I would probably look to learn from you all and chip in where I could. Logan Grimnar, I am not. 1 was well organised, but I was totally outplayed by the sneaky Eldar. The other was a completely disorganised mess, where folks just showed up as the game was starting plonking models at random, no strategy, no leadership, no organisation... Was a nightmare. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4323975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I had an Apoc game once where my Ultramarines were partnered with.... Tyranids :-/ We were fighting a Chaos alliance. We reasoned that the Ultras were simply trying to funnel the Nids towards Chaos in the hope the two destroy each other. ...And we actually won :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 From what I remember, the idea behind the "dauntless few" was not who would make for an effective or powerful combo under typical or ideal cionditions, but which combo would be able to prevail under any and all conditions. So the key qualities of the parties should be 1) a generalist doctrine, and 2) reliability. Legions like the Iron Warriors or the Raven Guard are extremely competent in their specialised fields, but there are battle scenarios that will not play into their strengths. Others might be more generally capable, but may not allways have an ally's back, or try to do their own thing, not necessarily adhering to previously agreed stratagems. So while the Dark Angels for example are also competent generalists, they are not the most cooperative. The "original" dauntless few all had those two key qualities of a more all-purpose doctrine and being dependable allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Those who can be relied on to get the job done without instability, anger issues or egotism impeding the progress. Guilliman Horus (pre-Heresy) Dorn Sanguinius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1: Alpha Legion/Alpharius 2: Raven Guard/Corax 3; Night Lords/Curze 4; Emperor's Children/Fulgrim 5; Thousand Sons/Magnus All the information is mine. Properly run and educated administrative system with a guided AL secret insider cults. Coukd possibly replace EC with Word Bearers if they didn't have the writers drop the idiot ball on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So going on the "new parameters" for what should qualify as the Dauntless Few in B1Soul's scenarios, I will command the Night Lords. In the 1 ally scenario of taking a human controlled system, I will ally with the Iron Warriors. They have beastly ships that are perfect for occupying orbital defenses while the Night Lords sneak in orbital drop pods and begin terrorizing the populace, whose recorded screams are broadcasted to the defenses above. For the xenos empire, again Iron Warriors, with World Eaters, and Word Bearers. Because extermination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Salamanders Ultramarines Imperial Fists Emperors Children (Pre-Slaanesh) They all embody the Imperial Truth fromt he ground up really. They're some of the few Legions I think properly believed in the Emperor's ideal of Humanity owning the Galaxy in an eventual, epic peace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Legion: Sons of Horus (you saw this coming) Fellow Legions: Sons of Horus Sons of Horus Luna Wolves SONS OF HORUS Now to actually come up with an actual non-joke list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those who can be relied on to get the job done without instability, anger issues or egotism impeding the progress. Guilliman Horus (pre-Heresy) Dorn Sanguinius Those who can be relied on to get the job done without instability, anger issues or egotism impeding the progress. Guilliman Horus (pre-Heresy) Dorn Sanguinius I believe Guilliman and Horus all had substantial egoes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4324798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those who can be relied on to get the job done without instability, anger issues or egotism impeding the progress. Guilliman Horus (pre-Heresy) Dorn Sanguinius I believe Guilliman and Horus all had substantial egoes I wouldn't really say that. Horus and Guilliman have sort of a yin/yang relationship as far as personal ambitions and their reputation are concerned. Horus was perceived by all as a great and noble character, but underneath lay hidden an unquenched thirst for glory and power. Guilliman was perceived by some (probably distant observers) as overly ambitious and claiming too much for himself, but his motives were altruistic, and when it came to reorganising the Imperium, he voluntarily gave up more power than any of his brothers. When Horus is mentioned commending his brothers like Alpharius or Angron, it comes across (with hindsight, of course) as him trying to gain their favour. When Guilliman commends the skills and achievements of Fulgrim or Perturabo, it comes across as more genuine. IIRC, there is a statue of Rogal Dorn towering watchful over the Imperial senate hall, put there at the suggestion of Roboute Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I suppose I would take the foresight of Guilliman and take a combined arms approach, utilizing specialists from various legions. Dark Angels as my go to Monster Hunters, Iron Warriors as my seige elements, world Eaters as my assault elements with Ultramarines as my line infantry supported by Alpha Legion and assassin intelligence units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those who can be relied on to get the job done without instability, anger issues or egotism impeding the progress. Guilliman Horus (pre-Heresy) Dorn Sanguinius I believe Guilliman and Horus all had substantial egoes I wouldn't really say that. Horus and Guilliman have sort of a yin/yang relationship as far as personal ambitions and their reputation are concerned. Horus was perceived by all as a great and noble character, but underneath lay hidden an unquenched thirst for glory and power. Guilliman was perceived by some (probably distant observers) as overly ambitious and claiming too much for himself, but his motives were altruistic, and when it came to reorganising the Imperium, he voluntarily gave up more power than any of his brothers. When Horus is mentioned commending his brothers like Alpharius or Angron, it comes across (with hindsight, of course) as him trying to gain their favour. When Guilliman commends the skills and achievements of Fulgrim or Perturabo, it comes across as more genuine. I disagree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the Primarchs did accuse Guilliman of being smug and superior in his attitude, but can't that just be their jealousy talking...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the Primarchs did accuse Guilliman of being smug and superior in his attitude, but can't that just be their jealousy talking...? I agree with this. I mean, Guilliman wanted Sanguinius to be the new Emperor just so it didnt look like he was trying to steal power... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the Primarchs did accuse Guilliman of being smug and superior in his attitude, but can't that just be their jealousy talking...? I mean, its not like he did not come across smug or superior, for example the whole Lorgar situation, the Alpharius situation taking that city and Peturabo with the Decimation. Its not jealousy on their fronts, they have legitimate reasons to see him as such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the Primarchs did accuse Guilliman of being smug and superior in his attitude, but can't that just be their jealousy talking...? I agree with this. I mean, Guilliman wanted Sanguinius to be the new Emperor just so it didnt look like he was trying to steal power... One of the rules of Power, sometimes its better to be King Maker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some of the Primarchs did accuse Guilliman of being smug and superior in his attitude, but can't that just be their jealousy talking...? I mean, its not like he did not come across smug or superior, for example the whole Lorgar situation, the Alpharius situation taking that city and Peturabo with the Decimation. Its not jealousy on their fronts, they have legitimate reasons to see him as such. And yet in their weakness they chose to resent him, rather then rise up and try to surpass him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I mean, its not like he did not come across smug or superior, for example the whole Lorgar situation, the Alpharius situation taking that city and Peturabo with the Decimation. Its not jealousy on their fronts, they have legitimate reasons to see him as such. That Lorgar was misinterpreting Guilliman's motives was made clear not just in 'The First Heretic' but unmistakenly so in 'Know No Fear'. Concerning Alpharius' excentric actions, Guilliman was mentioned as but one specific of many individuals who had disagreed with them. In contrast, only one individual, Horus, was mentioned as instead praising Alpharius. And protesting against another Primarch's ill treatment of his warriors is not a selfish act. Those are not examples of Guilliman being smug or egoistical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319793-who-would-be-your-dauntless-few/page/2/#findComment-4325307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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