DarkAngeal Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Hey there, angry red battle brothers! I'm hopping over here for a bit from the Dark Angels thread. I have been looking into potential allies for my dark angels force, and blood angels seem to have a lot to offer! I was hoping to gain some opinions on the units I am looking at before I go all in though. First- Librarian Dreadnoughts? Are these nearly as awesome as they look and sound? How often do you run this HQ, and how does it perform for you? 2- Sanguinary guard. I love this unit aesthetically, and they seem very killy. Do you take swords or axes? What sort of ranged weapon is best? Do you wear deathmasks? I was considering sticking a Sanguinary Priest in there with a jump pack and the Crown Angelic. Yay, nay? 3-Tactical squads with heavy flamers and flamers, I love the idea of sticking them into a drop pod and melting some tyrannids or guardsmen (renegade guardsmen I am sure). Assault squads- I was thinking ten men with 2 meltaguns. Very punchy and killy. If there are any other units you think I should look at, please let me know, and I would love some feedback on the units above. Thank you. -DarkAngeal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 1) Awesome monster hunters with quickening and force plus they can challenge out characters. Nasty when employed properly and supported, like all other dreads. 2) SG are great, but really come into thier own when you add in a Sanguinary priest for WS5 and FNP5+. Even better if you get a Librarian in there and mange to roll up the unleash rage (get rage) or shield of Sanguinius (enjoy you better, jump troop terminators) powers. A nice mid of axes, swords and a fist with some inferno pistols to open transports is good. Priest does well with our relic, Valours edge for ap2 at high initiative and S5 on the charge. 3) For about the millionth time on this board I'm going to plug my tactical squad: Heavy Flamer, Flamer & two hand flamers in a drop pod with a deathwind launcher. So. Much. Fun. 4) Can go either way with assault squads, ten men with Melta and a tooled up sarge is good, but a bullet magnet. Many here prefer to employ them as a scalpel, rather than a hammer. Put five of them in a drop pod with two Melta guns and two inferno pistols on the sarge. Enjoy your precision 4 Melta shots into side/ rear armour for just a bit over 100 points. As for others, Death Company. Nothing will make your opponent swear more than guys who get 5 attacks on the charge at S/I5 - rerolling misses and failed wounds when Astorath is attached to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4322554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM1981 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The Death Company, because they're the Death Company. One power fist, one power sword, per five guys. Deploy via drop pod or jump pack to get into the fight ASAP. They will do everything your assault squad would better. There is very little these guys cant take on, especially if you are charging. 5 are useful, 10 are great. The higher you go the more fun you will have (elite slots and squad sizes allowing). Meltacide (suicide melta assault squad). Not a thing formally, but very definitely a thing. Pack a five man assault squad with as much melta as you can (our guys get 2 slots per 5 models, plus the sergeant can take a third as his ranged weapon). Put them in a drop pod and dump them behind your enemies tanks / heavy support. They will die very early on, but they will also take out more than their points value in armour before they do. Mephiston. Just read his stat line / page in the codex, and try not wreck your pants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4322572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 I love this "2 melta pistols" idea. Beautiful! One thing I am looking at doing is attaching cypher to one of these units and infiltrating them to provide a huge threat to my opponent early on while the rest of my army comes raining down in drop pods. Does anything mesh particularly well with his benefits of infiltrate and shrouded? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4322650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-soul Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 it depends for what kind of competetive game you are playing. From competetive point of view: 1) This thing will die pretty quickly. On drop-pod it's like instant death. On Stormraven it can eleminate 1 or 2 targets if lucky. Main problem as all walkers and vehicles - it can blow up from 1 strike. Front armour is almost never the case when you approaching to enemy - so it's 12 or even rear 10 wich can be shot with humble bolters or krak grenades. His cost with 2lvl is rarley pays off (175pts) Most of the monster creatures will simply runaway from him - and there is not so many MC on the table these days. 2) They are not so killy as Death company, and not as durable and expendable. They require pretty solid retinue of independent characters to become really killy. So Librarius Conclave looking for invisibility/4+invuln plus Sanguinary priest for FNP to all and WS to angels, taking additional pistol and Valour edge plus Dante for H&R plus Librarian with sanguinary discipline (looking for rage and primaris power) . Squad of 6-7 guys - one company standart one-two fist. And just then this pack can make a real threat to anyone. Meanwhile - SG will die hillariously fast just because of how much ap2 firepower is common. So it's either strong ap2 firepower like grav, or whole buckets of dice like scatter-bikes. And even then - yeah they great for killing MEQ troops but otherwise deathcompany will do this much better and cheaper 3) Tacticals are good only when you play with CAD. And playing BA for CAD is not a major discipline. But when you do - yeah heavy flamers and double hand flamers is the right choice. But keep in mind that you have to support that choice with at least 1 assault squad with 3 meltas on drop-pods (unless Dante so you can jump-packs) for every tactical squad with heavy flamer. It's also viable strategy with heavy flamer/flamer in rhino for fast objective wipe. But overall - in comparesent with the assault squad - tacticals overcosted - for 5 men with HF in a rhino you pay 125pts where assault squad with double flamers get 90 pts doin galmost the same job (unless CAD) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4322716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudan Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If your local meta does not already have meltacide as a thing... You are going to blow some minds. Skip Sang. Guard, in my opinion. Librarian Dreads are definitely good for scaring some poop into some pants. It might get shot at *a lot* when your opponents see what you're packin'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4322799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't think Cypher confers infiltrate to the squad he joins sadly. If he has shrouded he will though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4323092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't think Cypher confers infiltrate to the squad he joins sadly. If he has shrouded he will though. Correct. The squad has already Deployed and seeing how he can only join them when they Deploy on the table, Infiltrate is not conferred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4323099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 You are entirely correct, I was thinking of the formation you can take with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4323205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Raul Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I think if I was to run C:BA as an ally for C:DA i'd have to go DC. Cheaper than SG as the main reason and the HQ chappy is better (rerolls on those 5 attacks) than the fnp is for the SG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4324149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I still prefer sanguinary guard to DC, but to be effective they typically need both a priest and a libby to get the Fnp, +1 WS and ideally an invulnerable from the libby. And then a banner to buff their attacks. And to be run in a BSF. Whereas DC need less support, that being said without being in BSF and without buying packs and some power weapons they simply aren't as good.vs MEQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4324169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceril Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Sanguinary guard are good in a vacuum, in current meta they are not worth their points. Too expensive, no invulnerable save. Grav, melta and other shooty stuff jsut tears them to parts. Lib dread is a bit too vurneable. Melta as previously mentioned. Tac squads with all flamers is awesome. What you want is probably Sanguinary Priest, maybe on a bike. Flesh Teares Strike force for drop pods is often used. A good route is also psykers/characters to a death star as we don't have chapter tactics, our librarians don't interfere with yours. Dante is strong too. Good relics are the ap2 sword, Valor's Edge. Veritaes is strong if your warlord is from BA. The Jump pack could be a meta chocie if you face a lot of interceptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4324638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Taking much of this advice, I created an early attempt at a list. As always, feedback is greatly appreciated. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319974-bloodwing/?do=findComment&comment=4325346 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4325492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Though I have never actually driven Dark Angels on the battliefield, I am pretty familiar considering my best friend plays them and I have considered starting my own DA force as well. Here is a general BA-as-Allies Allied Detachment that gets as much mileage out of the unique attributes of the BA for as cheap as you can get. ++++++++ 356pts HQ: Sanguinary Priest --Valour's Edge (S-User AP2 @ Initiative, cost of 4x meltabombs) --Bolt Pistol TROOPS: Tactical Marines x 5 (OBSEC, so make them pay for that Objective!) --Heavy Flamer --Sgt w/ 2x Hand Flamers Drop Pod ELITES: Death Company x 5 --Jump Packs --Power Fist x 1 --Bolter x 5 Adjust squad size and/or # of squads for DC/Tacticals to preference. ++++++++++ -Sanguinary Priests tend to be a preferred HQ for BA-as-allies, since who doesn't want some 5+ FNP? The relic sword is pretty cheap for what it gets you (AP2 at initiative!) but flavor the equipment to your taste. -LIbrarians are another safe choice for HQ, especially if you want more WC, but generally, SM and DA Librarian formations are more reliable these days. Sanguinary discipline is a fun choice, but not earth-shattering IMO. -Swap out the Drop Pod for a Fast Razorback w/ Las-Plas if you want a more mech route. Since it's Fast, you can fire both the Lascannon and TL Plasma gun at full BS. -Pound-for-Pound Death Company are one of the best units in the game considering what you get for their cost. Jump Packs with Bolters makes them incredibly annoying and self-sufficient (Relentless, Jump 12", Rapid-Fire, Charge for 20x S5 and 4x S9 AP2). If you have enough shooting--which would not surprising given you're running Dark Angels--drop the bolters for pistols to get 4x more S5 attacks....but ALWAYS pair a Bolter with the PF since there is 0 downside to doing so. This 5-man setup is great as a MSU, bring as many as you want. -Alternatively if you don't care about points, 15x DC w/ Astorath the Grim as HQ, and 3x Power Fists is one of the most choppy CC units you can possibly get. Just MAKE SURE you are the one charging, not getting charged. Point at enemy, stand back. Other signature items on the BA menu to consider, depending on how you want to complement your robed warrior-monks: -Furioso Dreadnought with Frag Cannon and Heavy Flamer in a Drop Pod -Vindicator with Overcharged Engines. Threat Level Midnight -Sanguinary Guard with a Chapter Banner and 5x swords. IMHO, these guys are best kept cheap to bully MEQ unless you really want to spend points to get them able to compete with the big boys The Librarian Dreadnought, IMHO, is an awesome idea but tends to draw SO much fire that it's almost not worth it. All it takes is a single lucky Lascannon shot and 200+ pt HQ goes bye bye. And last but not least, if you're talking Angels of Death, DA-BA tag team: -Mephiston with DeathWing Knights in base-to-base contact Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4340802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The Mephiston idea is pretty sweet actually! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4341087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sorry chaps, Mephiston would need a storm shield to benefit from Fortress of Shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4341758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sorry chaps, Mephiston would need a storm shield to benefit from Fortress of Shields. My thoughts exactly as well Jolemai, then I remembered... HES ALREADY T5. So you have a unit that actually makes use of his natural toughness! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4341768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sorry chaps, Mephiston would need a storm shield to benefit from Fortress of Shields. My thoughts exactly as well Jolemai, then I remembered... HES ALREADY T5. So you have a unit that actually makes use of his natural toughness! Exactly! https://youtu.be/4atH_Km4KaQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4342430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Oh my god that link. Perfect. So Perfect! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4342482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlangWhanger Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 10 CC Scouts with Sang Priest and/or Libby in a Landraider. One of the most underestimated (and cheapest) 'Deathstars' in 40k. Even better with WS4 Scouts (grumble grumble...). The looks you get for fielding it are totally worth it too! As for synergy with DA there a few options that spring to mind: A) Alpha strike BA: Flaming tacticals, meltacide squads, fragioso dreadnoughts. DA can then either beta strike with bikes or just mop up stragglers over course of the game. This'll work well as it'll disrupt the enemy army and significantly weaken their main threats if used correctly. Downsides are this detachment will shrink the size of your DA army and could present a split army for your enemy to deal with piecemeal. Good at disrupting gunlines etc. B.) shoot the :cuss out of the enemy, absorb charges like a boss (read Dark Angels) then counter attack with Death Company, Assault squads, scouts, sang guard etc. or whatever takes your fancy. This can work well as you hang back and shoot away at assaulty armies before they get too close, especially with Sang priests helping to tank wounds, hopefully weakening their assault units enough to give the strong BA assault units the edge in combat. C) use fast BA vehicles to support bikes and termis of the DA. Pretty simple really but adds a lot of mobility to an already fast ravenwing army. If you don't have a proper plan for battles, then just get Death Company. And Sang priests are nice. But mainly Death Company... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319853-best-of-the-codex/#findComment-4343279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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