Rangaman Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I have been tempted to get a Voss Lightning for a while, it's just such a cool looking model...with that said, I am also very fond of the Avenger. Game wise what is superior? They obviously fill two different roles, my thinking was to have a Strike wing of 2-3 Avengers with 2 Lightning filling my fast attack slots at 2.5k. How have people set their aircraft up? I am a fan of cheap and quantity to saturate, but are they too flimsy to matter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I kinda doubt anyone would call the common loadouts for Lightnings "cheap". Most people load them to around 200 points, with kraken penetrator missiles and ground tracking (I intend to run mine with four kraken and either a laz or autocannon. Ground tracking is meh to me, but the tank hunter upgrade is important). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4325774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 i mean its gonna eat a lord of war slot anyway so isint it okay if its a bit expensive ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4325776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 i mean its gonna eat a lord of war slot anyway so isint it okay if its a bit expensive ? For 2 armour 11 hull points, it's kind of a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4325781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 I was thinking more along the lines of 2 Avengers being 175 each with Tank hunters, just have them zipping around shooting up light stuff and marines with Lightning support popping heavy armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4325784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 The craft aren't bad, but giving up a VP each in a wing is the real cost. No way is low AV HP2 worth an additional VP on top of any kill objectives or what have you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4325875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted March 5, 2016 Author Share Posted March 5, 2016 I didn't realize each individual fighter counted for a vp point... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 ^ Yep, makes it a dicey affair. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 If it were 1 vp for the whole wing id go for it but its like the dread row that gives a vp per dread, not talon. Its a strangely costly affair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 It's entirely depending on if you know whether or not your opponents take dedicated anti air, or enough weapons that mean they can throw a lot of snap shotting dice. If they don't take either of the above, because I don't see all that much in a lot of lists due to "ahhh flyers are rubbish" much akin to people not taking melta as everyone (read very few) take armoured ceramite. So 2 flyers in a wing may mean 2 points but that's only if they can be taken down. Sure one guy may take an eddy, or an hyperios battery, you can still take something with you on your way out. Hitting those pesky grav rapiers with sun fury missiles, taking out a typhon/spartan meaning other units are free to deal with other things. And most of all, do you like flyers? Do you want to take a few in one slot to save your fast attack for other things? If the answer is yes then do it anyway :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I run 2 lightnings with 4 kraken missiles each and ground tracking augaries and battle servitor control. Big points i have learned 1. You must be able to deal with enemy AA before they come on. Yes with careful placement you may avoid the enemy AA but if these things get hit they are dead. 2. Fire and forget. The point is they come on kill something and after that they will do pretty much nothing. You need to make sure they do something as soon as they enter otherwise its points down the pan. 3. Ground tracking augaries is a must. When you are relying on 200 points of a model to make up its points in 1 round of shooting you cant afford it to miss. 4. Never put it in a Lord of War choice. They will die to a stiff breeze and its not worth the loss in victory points. 5. Some games they will be amazing but if the enemy doesnt have the targets for them they will do naff all helpful. Its a gamble. 6. Personally I run 2. Spartans are everywhere in my meta and I have never failed to kill one the minute these have come on and with 2 you can ambush a knight without much problem. Thats my experience anyway.☺ i only ever run them as anti tank though so cant comment on any other builds. Good luck Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I like lightnings in their FA slots, and then bring some different toys to the Strike Wing. For my (planned) wing I'm going with 3 Vulture gunships, 2 armed with punisher cannons :D The vector dancer (free 90 degree at the end of movement) combined with fair resiliance means you can get into some tasty targets - opponent keeping the apothecary at the back of the squad? Sweep past and splat him first with 20 TL shots :D :D Plus they look super cool and are great fun - not too expensive either and have the ability to hover if you get stuck in a spot you need to reposition form, though it's not recommended Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4326915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 On the topic of armament, what are people's suggested load outs for the Avenger? I am liking the idea of keeping them bare bones with just the bolt cannon and the lascannons it comes with, throw on the tank hunter upgrade and away they go. Is strafing run a worthwhile investment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4327591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Mechanicum Avenger can take kraken missiles, so I take a pair of those. 2 lascannons and 2 kraken missiles aren't as devastating as 4 kraken missiles, but at least it's still a solid threat every turn it survives afterwards. After a lightning delivers its payload, you're better off flying it off the table as much as possible so it doesn't die and give up VPs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4327594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I really want to fly 3 Xiphons but I know there's probably never going to be a game where this is worth it, ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4328574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 On bigger board games actually. is the rotary missile launcher 60 inch range? If it is. You can plink away from a distance and still be mobile Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4330111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 On bigger board games actually. is the rotary missile launcher 60 inch range? If it is. You can plink away from a distance and still be mobile My FLGS tables are so small I can physically reach over and literally beat my opponent for not letting me win :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4330712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 It is one of the reasons I like the D99 Valkyries. Unlike the Dreadclaw, thanks to the Deep Strike Flyers modification in tge Red Books, you can Deep Strike Zooming, and still deploy your units thanks to Grav Chutes. Although 'only' AV12, and cannot Jink on the turn it arrives, it is still a Flyer. If you can get rid of Deredeo/Mortis etc first turn (always a good goal anyway) it is rather safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4330728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yea those D99 rules are quite good value I've heard, shame I'm not a fan of the Valkyrie model for Legion Aerial support...maybe in the future for my Renegade Knight/Marauder group. At 2.5-3k games how much AA is to be expected? I could potentially field 3 Avengers in a 2.5k game and only face one Deredeo, that wouldn't be that hard to knock out before they come into play would it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319996-sub-orbital-strike-wing/#findComment-4331549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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