Phiasco Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 So here's the question. I know its all guesswork at this point, but what is the general consensus as to if Blood Angels will get their own 30k terminators? I'm trying to decide if I want to keep the termies that came in BaC and bling them up myself, or sell them and wait for Blood Angel specific ones. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 We'll have up to two units if the other Legions are anything to go by. One will likely be a 30k version of the Sanguinary Guard, the other is anyone's guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I would honeslty doubt we'll get terminators. Seeing as ours may be covered under the "we get assault cannon" rules. And out elite combat unit will be SG as Jolemai has said. Just build em and being em up amd use them as regular terminators! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I'd bet against terminators too. Judging by how much like 40k BA the current stuff is I'd bet on sanguinary guard and probably veteran assault marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 On top of all that, we will be waiting a while for blood angel units, so i wouldn't necessarily "wait" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Veterans with jump packs will be a thing for sure. Maybe lose heavy weapons but up the options for Fists/ pistols etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 My guess is we will hear something about our book next weekender. Certainly won't be out by then though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yeah, Inferno will have been out a couple months then. Angelus as it has been called - will probably be due a summer release. Unless they ruin the Heresy by doing Calth 2 first :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Think I'm right in saying all the legion's that have had a full release so far have had a unique heavy / light unit so I'd say ba probably will get a terminator unit. Amit who founded the flesh tearers utilised terminator units in the 5th company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 You're wrong.Fists got warders and Templars.Word bearers got gal vorkbak and the destroyer type unit.Raven guard got mor drethyn and dark furies.night lords got raptors and terror squads The rest have had terminators. remaining legions to get units: DA, BA, WS, SW and TS DA are likely to get a terminator unit and a bike unit IMO BA are likely to get sanguinary guard (not guarenteed though, and for them to be viable, they'd need to be better than in 40k) and something else, veteran assault squads would make sense as itd be a nod to every codex we had prior to everyone else getting vanguard. But I could see them being similar to the SoH reavers. WS will probably get a bike or jetbike squad, no idea what else.SW and TS will probably have a lot more things different than any other legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-soul Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Actually I think BA will get 1 Sanguinary guard unit and 1 Terminator squad - just because making 2 uniqe jump-pack units is too much. Raven guard didn't have this although they also heavily geared with jump packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 By heavy / light I meant their usage. Gal vorbak are the wb terminator equivalent with t5, 5++ and bulky. Ashen circle being a light power armor unit regardless of jp is all I meant. Tbh I didn't realise fists didn't have this but unlucky for them. Ba tactics didn't stop at jp in the heresy and one of our named hq is surly going to be amit so I'm holding out hope for terminators ala 5th company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Where's this thing about amits company using terminators a lot come from? In fear to tread it's never mentioned... Raven guard have two major elements with stealth and jump packs, which is what their units align with. Maybe we will get terminators, maybe we won't, but personally I'd like to see them go a different route for BA. Our sanguinary guard should really be our terminator equivalent. But then I also hope we get raldoron and azkhellon as characters... But yes I know well probably be force fed amit as forgeworld tend to like BA successors and flesh testers are popular with many Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4326923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Amit, Raldoron and Azkellion would give us three rather different characters similar to word bearers and some of the other Legions. I'd enjoy that. Also hoping we don't get terminators. I can't see Sanguinius sitting around with a term bodyguard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Amit, Raldoron and Azkellion would give us three rather different characters similar to word bearers and some of the other Legions. I'd enjoy that. Also hoping we don't get terminators. I can't see Sanguinius sitting around with a term bodyguard. Jump pack infantry bodyguard would be useless in a ship or underground complex. Terminator body guard makes perfect sense for those situations. I'm not saying we will, or that I want it. I just don't see how our unit will be Sanguinary Guard. Our fluff says their gear hasn't changed and the same armor and weapons are used. It would be redundant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 They will make them better. The gear will be from the Heresy, but probably still subject to 10,000 years of degradation I'd imagine! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Yeah, the sanguinary guard have been depicted as the ones to be with sanguinius all the time - this includes guarding him within buildings. I'd expect their rules to get a bit better tbh. Maybe not a lot (obvious thing to do is upgrade the base marines stats whilst keeping the actual gear pretty much the same. As I said, I'd expect to see something similar to sons of horus Reaver squads, veterans with access to jump packs but different options to regular veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 2W, actually making Glaive Encarmine's worth it (maybe just steal the White Scare power glaive rules... but with bonus strength on the ap3 mode?) WS5, Fear and some sort of army buffing rules methinks. Also a 5++ please while you're at it Alan <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I suspect glaive encarmines won't change from 40k version, just like inferno pistols didn't. But I could see them being 2 wounds with WS5. Anything more than the above would be a bonus to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Yeah, the sanguinary guard have been depicted as the ones to be with sanguinius all the time - this includes guarding him within buildings. I'd expect their rules to get a bit better tbh. Maybe not a lot (obvious thing to do is upgrade the base marines stats whilst keeping the actual gear pretty much the same. As I said, I'd expect to see something similar to sons of horus Reaver squads, veterans with access to jump packs but different options to regular veterans. The Sanguinary Guard have been depicted in books, yes. But it's also possible that they have a wider range of war gear than is depicted as well. If we go by the argument "sanguinary guard terminators have never been depicted, so they won't get them" then we also have to go by, "the Blood Angels only have companies because the only thing depicted in the books are companies." Also, most forge world units showed up before they were in the novels. There is a case of Sanguinius having Terminator Body Guards, even if it is only in the picture books for the Horus Heresy. I still don't see HH sanguinary guard in resin unless they do a pretty big retcon to explain why the 40k ones that are stated to have the EXACT same gear now, all of a sudden, are different enough to have new models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I hope glaives do change. If they were ported over to the 30k environment as they are they would be INCREDIBLY lack luster compared to other Legions special gear. Like power glaives, Phoenix spears, chain glaives and Scythes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 There is a better chance of Angels getting 3 units as opposed to two, like the ultras did. Dark Angels will probably have an upgrade kit like the iron hands did with their robes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM1981 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I think people are missing the obvious here - The Sanguinary guard are called the Sanguinary guard, because their purpose was to act as the guard of Sanguinius. As to whether this is the elite option that forge world go with, and what rules they are assigned, these things we will have to wait and see. But we can be pretty sure that if we are looking to assign bodyguard duties for the Primarch to anyone, it would be these guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM1981 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Yeah, the sanguinary guard have been depicted as the ones to be with sanguinius all the time - this includes guarding him within buildings. I'd expect their rules to get a bit better tbh. Maybe not a lot (obvious thing to do is upgrade the base marines stats whilst keeping the actual gear pretty much the same. As I said, I'd expect to see something similar to sons of horus Reaver squads, veterans with access to jump packs but different options to regular veterans. The Sanguinary Guard have been depicted in books, yes. But it's also possible that they have a wider range of war gear than is depicted as well. If we go by the argument "sanguinary guard terminators have never been depicted, so they won't get them" then we also have to go by, "the Blood Angels only have companies because the only thing depicted in the books are companies." Also, most forge world units showed up before they were in the novels. There is a case of Sanguinius having Terminator Body Guards, even if it is only in the picture books for the Horus Heresy. I still don't see HH sanguinary guard in resin unless they do a pretty big retcon to explain why the 40k ones that are stated to have the EXACT same gear now, all of a sudden, are different enough to have new models. This also makes sense. The idea that an elite space marine couldn't work out how to put down one weapon and pick another up, or that the armoury would be unable to attach a different pistol type to a wrist lock doesn't add up. Basically it will all depend on what FW feel like sculpting, but there is no reason why "new" Sanguinary Gaurd models with different load outs (and therefore different stats) couldn't be an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4327670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 What if Sanguinary Guard just get the Option to purchase Jump Packs? Meaning they can go on foot inside Installations and all that or be Jump Infantry in other situations. Flat 2+/5++ afterwards and any other bonuses and you've got a pretty solid unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320023-cataphractii/#findComment-4328324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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