Frater Cornelius Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I really like the rules of some Primarch, especially some of the traitor ones. However, I generally just play loyal armies and even if I play a loyal Legion, it isn't necessarily the part that a Primarch would usually hang around with. How to justify putting a model on the table that would use the Primarch rules but not being a Primarch in the fluff? I usually have a very pivotal leader character in the army, akin to a Commander or Chapter Master. You think it would fly to model them slightly larger and use the rules? I am feeling a bit stuck here and would appreciate any help :) By the way, we are talking mostly post-Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 So you want to use a primarch But you don't want to use a primarch So you want to proxy another model as a primarch? After the HH ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Um... alternate timeline? I dunno. I don't think you can handwave a 'powerful' space marine as a primarch - primarchs come with some fairly strong special rules. This is a weirdly specific request. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 hey oils can i use that thing at the far right of your sig if I only have a Glaive ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 hey oils can i use that thing at the far right of your sig if I only have a Glaive ? Yep, you can indeed - it's just a way of showing club membership. The image is in the last page or two of the MDRC thread. You can get to that thread immediately by clicking the CHOOM image in my own sig. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Back to the OP, it would have to be alt timeline, they are too OP to be 'just' super marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Their Rulesets are too unique unto themselves permit that kind of "Counts-As". Only alternate timelines where you're proxying another being of equivalent power would that work; aka another Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I really like the rules of some Primarch, especially some of the traitor ones. However, I generally just play loyal armies and even if I play a loyal Legion, it isn't necessarily the part that a Primarch would usually hang around with. How to justify putting a model on the table that would use the Primarch rules but not being a Primarch in the fluff? I usually have a very pivotal leader character in the army, akin to a Commander or Chapter Master. You think it would fly to model them slightly larger and use the rules? I am feeling a bit stuck here and would appreciate any help :) By the way, we are talking mostly post-Heresy. Post-Heresy, extremely powerful character that is technically not a primarch? I'd lean cautiously to trying out a primarch clone. We know this has been done officially before with Horus, and with the right fluff spin, could be interesting and ultimately tragic. Weren't Alpharius/Omegon normal marine size? Maybe one of them. Maybe introducing a third to make them triplets could be interesting. Pretty controversial, and would need a pretty deft hand at twirling the fluff with no small degree of subtlety. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 So what I am taking away from this is that basically this is one of those instances where it is better to separate fluff and gameplay for one particular game where I feel like throwing a Primarch on the table. Fair enough :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 As someone in the military, there is always a reason someone who is too high to be there will be there. Maybe your Primarch was "inspecting the troops." Maybe he was just there to remind them that he exists. Maybe he was there for morale purposes. Or maybe he was just bored. I remember we were doing a training exercise and a 2 star general came up and just wanted to take a look at what we were doing. It is totally plausible that your Primarch would have shown up for any number of reasons, even if it was a twenty man skirmish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 As someone in the military, there is always a reason someone who is too high to be there will be there. Maybe your Primarch was "inspecting the troops." Maybe he was just there to remind them that he exists. Maybe he was there for morale purposes. Or maybe he was just bored. I remember we were doing a training exercise and a 2 star general came up and just wanted to take a look at what we were doing. It is totally plausible that your Primarch would have shown up for any number of reasons, even if it was a twenty man skirmish. That is a solid reason. Thanks very much. Goes well in line with loyalists. However, a bit hard to realize if your preferred Primarch suddenly went kookoo half way through ;) But that is what the Dornian Heresy exists for :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320199-fluffy-justification-to-use-primarchs/#findComment-4331595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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