Runefyre Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Next week saturday I'll be playing an 8,000 point apocalypse game (4 people each with 2000 points). There are no superheavies/lords of war allowed, to keep tactics and planning viable. I would like to know your thoughts on this list, I'll be coming in from reserves guaranteed turn 2 (I'll be arriving late), and my partner will be bringing 4 valkyiries and 2 vendettas loaded with veterans supported by wyrdvane psykers. I also don't own any ultramarine drop pods. 2000 point legiones astartes crusade army list age of darkness detachment -ultramarines legiones astartes (logos lectora rite of war) HQ-280 points Legion centurion-consul delegatus -cataphractii pattern terminator armour, legatine axe Legion centurion-consul master of signals -artificer armour, refractor field Navigator troops-530 points tactical squad-10 members, artificer armour, vexilla, power weapon tactical squad-10 members, artificer amour, vexilla, power weapon tactical squad-10 members, artificer amour, vexilla, power weapon elites-428 points contemptor mortis-twin linked lascannons Legion terminator squad-reaper autocannon, 4x volkite chargers, 5x power fists heavy support-735 points leviathan dreadnought talon -1x leviathan dreadnought-leviathan storm cannon, grav flux bombard, armoured ceramite, 2 twin linked volkite calivers sicaran battle tank-las cannon sponsons, armoured ceramite legion heavy support squad-5 missile launchers, flakk missiles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 65 marines, on foot, in an apocalypse game? Please post the battle rep. I want to see what happens :D 60 Tactical marines is a huge waste, nearly half your points on bolters? Egads man, the theoreticals don't match the practicals. Drop down to 2x 10 Tacticals in rhinos. Spend the points on almost literally anything else. An on-foot Leviathan will get wrecked too, AV13 in an 8k pt game footslogging won't have a fun time. Perhaps some more Contemptors for fire support, or a Deredeo? Rapiers for heavy weapon support. Just get something that hits harder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4332970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 Like I said in the op, there won't be any super heavies/lords of war (so I don't have to sorry about table clearing blasts, plus nobody in my meta brings that many leman russ's or russ analogues), and I don't own any ultramarine rhinos or drop pods (they're next on the list of purchases). I wanted something to complement my buddies flyer heavy list. And for the leviathan, the logos lectora doesn't allow me to put it in a dreadnought drop pod. I'm expecting my brother to bring drop pods, so there won't be a lack of targets for my leviathan, especially if he's close to the MoS for 18" interceptor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4332978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 There will be a plethora of table clearing blasts don't worry. Scorpios, basilisk, medusa, quad mortars, vindicators, Dracosianso, Malcador, Infernus Malc and various Legion units with crazy template guns like Grave Wardens. As they're footslogging they can take massed hits from non blast MEQ mincers like Sicaran Autocannons, Deredeos, attack bike autocannons, kherestemptors, heavy support squads (culverinz, AC, plasma cannon) Any drop Pod or mechanised assault that gets off a charge will mince them. Anything with Legiones Astartes: World Eaters, Power weapon vets, Power weapon terminators and nearly any Legion specific squad focused on assault. All for a fraction of the cost too. 60 footslogging tacticals will die horribly. One Deredeo with anvillus, AC and aoilos is 240. A kitted tax squad is 270 and can't even hurt the Deredeo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4333120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 I spose I should mention I'm facing off against my brother's word bearers (and he won't be bringing any serious artillery) and a friend with a 40k dark angels deathwing themed army (the largest vehicles he fields are dreadnoughts). So I don't have as much to worry about, but I get your point (and thanks for the responses). Maybe I'll change out one tac squad for a unit of legion terminators, to help give some staying power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4333160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Terminators would be good. They can stand up to Contemptors. 60 tacs is just quite inflexible, even if you are fighting other infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4333598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 Yeah, I agree with you there. I've edited the list to exclude one tac squad, and include one termy squad. I've also changed up my delegatus's loadout to cataphractii armour, to run with the terminators (the legatine axe should give my buddie's deathwing a nice little surprise). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4333622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickybob Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Logos Lectora requires you to have three compulsory Troops choices, so maybe three Tactical squads of 10? Apart from that, as long as other players have the armour busting and anti air firepower, you should have fun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4339192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Logos Lectora requires you to have three compulsory Troops choices, so maybe three Tactical squads of 10? Apart from that, as long as other players have the armour busting and anti air firepower, you should have fun Forgot about that , I'll figure something out, then edit the op. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320243-2000points-ultramarines-apocalypse-help/#findComment-4339266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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