Kaldoth Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Hey all, just a quick question. Pretty much what the title says! I've got a Sicaran that I'd like to repaint, but I'm hesitant to drop it in a vat of brake fluid. I've heard horror stories of FW resin warping from other stripping techniques, so I want to be sure that the brake fluid won't completely destroy this thing. I know FW resin isn't as brittle as GW finecast, but I'd rather play it safe. Any insight would be appreciated! Cheers, -Kal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I would never use brake fluid to strip anything. It's corrosive and I wouldn't want that touching expensive FW models. Instead I'd use Super Clean. I use it on GW plastic and it's great. Doesn't damage the plastic at all. You can find it at any auto parts store Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovidius Incertus Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Get a gallon jug of Simple Green from your local Lowe's/Home Depot and soak the tank for a few days. Paint should come of relatively easily with a toothbrush. Brake cleaner would not enter into my equation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldoth Posted March 13, 2016 Author Share Posted March 13, 2016 Get a gallon jug of Simple Green from your local Lowe's/Home Depot and soak the tank for a few days. Paint should come of relatively easily with a toothbrush. Brake cleaner would not enter into my equation. I usually use simple green on plastics, but I've had bad experiences with it on finecast models. Forge World resin will stand up to it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedwaKe Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Brake fluid should not be used on resin in my experience; it becomes rubbery. It works great on plastic/metal thought but I tend to prefer simple green, especially on resin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovidius Incertus Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Get a gallon jug of Simple Green from your local Lowe's/Home Depot and soak the tank for a few days. Paint should come of relatively easily with a toothbrush. Brake cleaner would not enter into my equation. I usually use simple green on plastics, but I've had bad experiences with it on finecast models. Forge World resin will stand up to it? I've left unpainted FW stuff sitting in a bath of pure and/or barely diluted Simple Green for two or more weeks with no ill effects, when I forgot a batch of resin I was prepping on more than one occasion. It's my go-to for resin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Brake fluid isn't safe for stripping anything, IMO. It's toxic, caustic, and harmful to handle. Avoid at all costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4334621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I strip almost exclusively with brake fluid and I can attest that it works just perfectly fine. In fact, my blood angels praetor has been stripped several times with it and no loss of deatil occured. That said, there are a few things to consider: Generally, do not leave resin of any kind in it for longer than 20 mins tops as it can turn the resin soft! Do it in a well ventilated area (I keep my Brake Fluid in a sealed jar and do the rest next to my kitchen ventilation). You can easily let plastics inside the fluid for several hours. On the upside: it's by far the best method of stripping I have encountered, it even strips primer off. It works fast (As said, you can strip a whole squad in 10-20 minutes!). It leaves no residue of paint. The paint is very easy to get off as it turns into a gooey, skin like texture that basically glides off the modell. PS: If your resin does turn a bit soft, do not panic! Clean it off and just leave it be for a day or two, the resin will harden again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4335516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I strip almost exclusively with brake fluid and I can attest that it works just perfectly fine. In fact, my blood angels praetor has been stripped several times with it and no loss of deatil occured. That said, there are a few things to consider: Generally, do not leave resin of any kind in it for longer than 20 mins tops as it can turn the resin soft! Do it in a well ventilated area (I keep my Brake Fluid in a sealed jar and do the rest next to my kitchen ventilation). You can easily let plastics inside the fluid for several hours. On the upside: it's by far the best method of stripping I have encountered, it even strips primer off. It works fast (As said, you can strip a whole squad in 10-20 minutes!). It leaves no residue of paint. The paint is very easy to get off as it turns into a gooey, skin like texture that basically glides off the modell. PS: If your resin does turn a bit soft, do not panic! Clean it off and just leave it be for a day or two, the resin will harden again. Your cautions are exactly the reasons not to use it. Why use something that you have to worry about it if you leave it in there too long? Use something safe like Super clean which also strips completely in a few hours time and doesn't have any chance of damaging the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4335528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 @Acebaur; I use it because it is vastly faster than anything I know and thus can better utilize my motivation. I personally do not find the contras to be that bad, it just means that I have to work more precisely and on time, which does not cause me any discomfort or problems, I am used to it (With being swiss and all that...^^). I do understand that it can be a hassle but i believe that people vastly overestimate the dangers while underplaying the fluid's main strength; speed. @Kaldoth; If you have any more questions concerning Brake Fluid, I'd be happy to answer because I work with it on a daily basis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4335537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Brake fluid is also helpful for those of us that live out in the middle of nowhere in the states, where simple green is difficult, if not downright impossible to find bar overseas shipping, and brake fluid is sold literally everywhere. That's why I use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4335906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Brake fluid is also helpful for those of us that live out in the middle of nowhere in the states, where simple green is difficult, if not downright impossible to find bar overseas shipping, and brake fluid is sold literally everywhere. That's why I use it. If you live in the States, get Super Clean. Available at any auto parts store and much safer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4335919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovidius Incertus Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Unless your Home Depot or Lowe's is different in the midwest than the east coast, there are gallon jugs of Simple Green for around $10 in the cleaning products aisle (same aisle you find floor polish, mops, etc. in). Don't know about mom and pop hardware stores, but Home Depot will even ship it (I think w/o hazmat restrictions). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4336228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 i feel like using brake fluid to clean something would is like ordering exterminatus when a regular orbital bombardment would do just fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4336275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
K0rtmer Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I wonder how people dispose of the brake fluid after using it for stripping ...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfhoule Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I wonder how people dispose of the brake fluid after using it for stripping ...? Yet another reason why not to use brake fluid, because with Simple Green, you can just flush and / or dump it without worry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theradrussian Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 My vote is for isopropyl alcohol- May not be as aggressive as something like paint thinner/stripper (for metal models ONLY if you go with that), but the reduced smell and ability to handle the stuff without a huge amount of protective gear is nice. Also, don't drink it/smoke near it/inhale the fumes too much and you're good to go! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Isopropyl aclohol is also a very good choice. You can safely get rid of barke fluid by mixing it on a 1:5 ratio with oil (any kind of cooking oil will do) and then flush it down the drain, immediately followed by a milder cleaning product (just to ensure that everything has been flushed) and then rinsed with water. This is a safe option according to my mechanic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Isopropylene alcohol (the same IPA cleaner used for electronics, but preferably 90%+ not the usual 60% aka IPA 60) as a bath in an ultrasound cleaner. Takes a few cycles, safe for ALL kinds of miniatures. Gentle brushing with a hard toothbrush after that and done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obeliske Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've tried stripping with simple green several times. The first time after using GW's sealant some years ago when it clouded up on me. Phoning GW's customer hotline to ask they told me to get simple green and after using it on my model it turned very soft and the plastic actually started melting. Granted this was some years ago and I've never heard of it happening to anybody else (leading me to believe I got a bad batch of either the green or the plastic, to this day I'm not sure) it has had me not use simple green again. On a more recent note I recently had a friend convince me to give it a try on another model and after purchasing it and attempting to use it to no avail I learned there is a simple green for stripping and a simple green that's a cleaner and disinfectant, I bought the cleaner disinfectant not knowing there was a difference and it does absolutely nothing so be careful if you choose to go this route as to what your actually purchasing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4337859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yes, those letters are swearing when you take into account that the F means. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4338785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Simple green and nail polish remover are fine. However anything you use will destroy the detail after some time. Also consider that FW changes their resin formulations on a very frequent basis. They've been using fine cast for a lot of their infantry lately for example. Some resins are more susceptible to different corrosives. The polyurea that makes up most of them are resistant to simple green's formulation but it can soften and swell the resin if left in too long, this is why the details look off if it's been in the bath too long. Finecast is not polyurea though. I'm not sure what it is actually, except that it isn't polyurea like what I'm familiar with. When in doubt just soak a small spot, like the bottom of a track or the slot on the feet of an infantry model that won't be seen. And by all means check the model frequently to see if the acrylic is lifting. Once it starts to release, get it out of the soak. Also simple green is sold all over the US. It's available in every state I've worked or lived in so far, which is around 3/4s of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320281-brake-fluid-safe-for-stripping-forgeworld-resin/#findComment-4340894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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