Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Some Rites of War are marked as options of Traitors. Does it this mean it prohibits the taking of characters of whom you know they are either dead/loyalists at that point or are those simply directions given for narrative games and which side to take in a certain mission? To ask more directly, is it possible to create a traitor version of a loyalist character and vice versa and play whichever Rite you like or is this explicitely prohibited by the ruleset? Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Traitor only rules applies to only models detailed as traitors. I would believe this is done to be either thematic or balancing rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Yeah. You can't take a traitors RoW with a character who must be a loyalist. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Well, that is mildly annoying. But can I take both in a RoW that does not have said restriction, for example Eidolon and Rylanor? Or is there a rule against that as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 You have to pick a side. And we prefer the term liberators, thank you very much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Actually, I prefer something far less flattering, which would probably not make it past moderation :D I jest ;) Anyway, that is very disappointing. I have already started painting and fell in love with the fluff I created, so I will not go back on my choice, but I still feel a little bummed for being unable to use a significant part of my Legion :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Why unable? You probably don't want to sink that many points in HQ anyway. Make two lists, one loyalist and one traitor. Then you can play with yourself, as Slaanesh intended. Giggity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 You could always say it's a pre HH EC army which would allow you to field both but obviously then you'll be gimping the RoW you can take which tbh is a good thing, it's either one or the other in terms of what you can have - like stated above, a side has to be chosen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 So I will simply have two lists. One with loyalists, which would be my primary, as they are supposed to be and one with 3rd Company RoW. I would need to come up fluff why they operate isolated and play them in games where sides do not matter or opponent's consent is given (or when playing against 40k, because I need every advantage I can get). Sounds fair? To be fair, losing 3rd Company isn't what's bothering me though. It is not having Eidolon in my primary force. But well, some sacrifices must be made after all. I'll be damned before I play traitors in the fluff though :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I'm confused. Some Rites are listed as only being available to traitors' or loyalists' armies. Some characters are listed as being available only to traitors' or loyalists' armies. Why would that not be one and the same? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 I'm confused. Some Rites are listed as only being available to traitors' or loyalists' armies. Some characters are listed as being available only to traitors' or loyalists' armies. Why would that not be one and the same? I am the one who was confused. I thought those were just 'suggestions' FW gave us for narrative games, not actual restrictions. Keep in mind, I do not own any red books yet and thus I need to work of second hand info. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Well, that is mildly annoying. But can I take both in a RoW that does not have said restriction, for example Eidolon and Rylanor? Or is there a rule against that as well?There is no explicit rule against it. Usually the rule is "in instances in which an army must be declared Loyalist or Traitor". So if you're just playing a pick up game, you could Rylanor and Eidolon together. But if you and a friend are playing say, an Istvaan III campaign, then one of you must declare either Loyalist or Traitor, and that limits your options. The RoWs work a little differently since some of them force you to "always declare" if you are a Loyalist or Traitor and in those instances, you have to follow it for "theme's sake". Of course, house ruling and opponent consent will work many a wonder in removing that tiny restriction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Fair game. I guess that resolve the issue amicably ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320423-traitor-only-options/#findComment-4337618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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