Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ok here he is DELVARUS WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv points 7 5 4 4 3 5 3 9 2+ 190 Wargear Artifice armor Aegis pattern boarding shield ( grants a 5+ invulnerable save and hammer of wrath) Meteor of Nuceria ( S+2 AP4 concussive, specialist weapon, +1 initiative, rending, two handed) Bolt pistol Frag and Krak grenades Special rules LA (World Eaters) Lord of the triarii ( while Delvarus is warlord any breacher siege squad may exchange their bolt guns for chain axes at 0 cost and one per 5 may purchase a power weapon for 10 points per model or a power fist for 20 points per model exchanging their chain axe) Warlord trait (paladin of glory) Champion of the pit ( Delvarus re-rolls all failed to hit rolls in a challenge) I'm debating giving him master of the legion but idk it feels off unless maybe I limit his options for rites I came up with this yesterday and while my 30k group loves it and can't wait to play against him I wanted to get the opinion of my esteemed brothers and sisters of the BnC. So what do you think anything you would change? Or questions about choices I made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 So, He's WS8 in a Challenge due to World Eater Rules much like Khârn while also Re-rolling all failed To-Hits in a challenge much like an Imperial Fist. Probably drop him down to WS6 so that he's 7 in a challenge. You can probably drop Specialist Weapon from his Meteor since Two-Handed means he cant get a bonus attack for having 2 Weapons anyways; its just a superfluous rule in this case. I'd drop the Power Fist option from his Warlord Trait and just bump the number of Power Weapons from 1in5 to 1in3. They're deadly but not 4 Hidden Power Fists in a 20 Man Blob + Sarge With a Power Fist deadly (as hilariously expensive as that would be). I'd also let him grant a Breacher Squad he joins Hammer Of Wrath and only to that squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Thanks slips I like that idea used Khârn as a rough baseline to work from. I just copy and pasted meteor hammer rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fabricator General Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 You know that's really rather good, I think I may try this out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Edit: nevermind, actually :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Please do and let me know how it goes. Slips it has +2 already adding more makes him S7+ and starts creeping up on the ID threshold so we're you saying S +4 on his hammer or did I type the wrong number Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 This is the same feedback i put in the PM but i figured since you started a thread for him i'ld throw it in here too. I like what you did the his caedere weapon. I was thinking it might be a challenge to make it worthy of a named character without it being too strong. Something else you could do is offer an option on it, like keep the I+1 AP4 Rending but add the option to swing at regular initiative at AP3 without rending. This would give him a nice option of being able to plow through regular marines at initiative where his 2+ will help him survive the strike back or take the chance at throwing AP2 at 2+ armor targets at a higher initiative. If you like that you could balance it out by changing his champion of the pit rule to just be straight hatred in challenges, so he would lose the reroll after the first round. I like him how you set it up though, so those are just some food for thought. For master of the legion you could trying linking it to force org requirements. Something like if Delvarus is the warlord of a triarii force he gains master of the legion. You can define a triarii force as using breachers as troops and limiting things that you wouldn't normally see in boarding actions (like tanks and such). Basically it would probably work out to be a rule he would gain only in ZM style games but it would be pretty fluffy when you were able to use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 So would you maybe say that a triarii force must include a squad of breachers equipped as his rules allow and no other master of the legion character may be taken... this would preclude me from using angron and I feel that is the way to do it right as angron I feel wouldn't be fighting alongside delvarus' company usually Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I wouldn't preclude the use of angron. In my mind I don't think Angron would have fought along side the triaii all that often since he would have made planetfall while the triarii stayed behind to guard the conqueror, but i'm sure there were times when the conquerer was boarded in a pure void battle and angron and delvarus went around busting heads together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 So how would you make definition of the triarii I want it to be a situation where he is warlord but if I take angron he cannot and then you don't get triarii breachers I'm a little stumped on this one maybe a few more stouts will shake something loose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I like the fluffiness of it, but in all seriousness, WS8/I6/S6 (with the meteor + rending) re-rolling misses 2+/5++ for 190 points? Up the cost imo. It's in keeping with his character but that's a massive amount of damage potential for that number of points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'm dropping WS to 6 base and I agree could do with a bump in points this was a really fast rough sketch and that's why I want to get as much feedback as possible. With the drop in weapon skill but keeping most that same I'm going to update this evening with slips' and guiltyspark's ideas what do you feel is a better spot keeping in mind Khârn has ap2 with murderous strike at initiative for 190. Khârn was used as a template for him my goal was to take a shot at a side grade to Khârn slightly less killy in general but providing a different style of army with some buffs to fit the character. I wanted him to be a monster in challenges but not an auto win in every fight from what you guys have given as feedback I feel like I'm really close just needs some fine tuning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Been thinking what if his lord of the triarii rule was instead a unique RoW and instead the rule was changed to him granting HoW and counter attack to his unit provided they were triarii bleachers, would also allow him to deploy one unit like that in regular games to show him making planetfall with a portion of his company, need some ideas on limitations personally I would go with ZM allowable units only. Also I think if I do that s cost should come up maybe 20 points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Did you think about giving him a Mini RoW in the style of Chosen Duty for the Delegatus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yeah kinda where the idea came from. Just not sure on the drawbacks to impose on the force. Maybe a must use one triarii unit as cumpolsory troops and may not contain vehicles beyond dreads to show they are primarily a ZM force As a side note I'm trying to sort out bits for his custom meteor hammer I'm not a huge fan of the forgeworld one for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Make it something like: Compulsory Troops are Triarii (breachers) who gain Counter-Attack and, say, gains FNP(4+) or +1 to existing FNP if outnumbered. Only vehicles allowed are dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Oh I like that slips I'll have a go at updated rules this evening Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 True but as it's noted in Betrayer, "Delvarus is a name known only in the Pits, Khârn is a name known across the Legions" I think I'd change the weapon to either S+1 or even base str and put in a rule like First Blood - to hit rolls of 6 wound automatically. Rending is a really useful ability to have on a melee weapon, specifically one that you're going to get a decent number of hits in with. Maybe going on the above rule put in Sanguinis Extremis - to wound rolls of 6 are resolved at ap 3 or keep rending and stipulate Invulnerable saves suffer a -1 penalty I like the idea of the Warlord trait/RoW though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Interesting thoughts Balth but I want to stick to the meteor hammer profile as that's what he is described to be using I'm attributing the better ap and rending to his skill more than the weapon but for simplicity I put that in the profile... also he usually only fought to first or third blood if I am remembering correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Also he can only ever max at 4 attacks due to base 3 and a two handed weapon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenbain Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Hi Nova. Loving the rules so far. A couple of months back I made a Delvarus model from Forgeworld's Khârn, but he was armed with the World Eaters Trident relic at the time. I've given him a custom Meteor Hammer to be more in line with the rules you are writing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4338958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 That's a great looking mini and I like your idea on the hammer I'm most likely using a reaver as a base for my version of him and I'm thinking more along the lines of a flail because the reavers aren't the most dynamic of minis. I have Khârn unbuilt so that is a possibility but I still want to be able to run Khârn when I'm not playing campaign or ZM games as I hope to have two world eaters legion forces in my "local" meta soon. *Looks pointedly at guiltyspark* So we can crush loyalists under our boots tho in all honesty the current meta is 3 traitor legions and alot of people talking about joining 30k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4339157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I love the idea of a row that focuses on World Eater breachers. My wallet doesn't though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4339372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 my WE force is slowly getting built, lol. I should have my leviathan finished today/tomorrow, then i'll kick in to gear on Khârn and i'll be able to play some ZM games. I just placed a big ass order from FW for books, despoilers, chainaxes, etc. Had to get to that free shipping level, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4339374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Haha yeah I'm sitting with most of BaC as torsos on legs because I need bits to get ordered but responsibilities have decided my wallet shouldn't do that. But soon I'll be able to make moulds for axes etc and really get cranking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320472-rules-for-delvarus-i-sketched-out-cc-welcome/#findComment-4339580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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